Orville: New Horizons (Spoilers)

Stalker0

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Just saw the first episode of the new season. Its pretty crazy that the show that started out as "Star Trek with fart jokes" has become the show willing to talk about betrayal and suicide. As Brave New Worlds gives us back the hopeful and optimistic future, I appreciate that while the Orville shows us a "better" humanity, it is still a society grounded in many of the same problems we still face today, and has really become a mature depiction of some really important topics.

I pretty solid opener, I'm really looking forward to more.
 

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Mort

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I like the episode and it was mostly solid, though (and I'll use spoilers since we are early in the thread):

I wish the writers had Isaac kill himself later in the episode, when it happened with SO MUCH time left it was 100% obvious they'd tech him back by the end

Even with that it was decent and It is (as mentioned above) amazing that "the fart jokes show" is (and has) tackled issues more sensitive than Trek does, and has done it well.
 



Mercurius

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I just started season 1 and am mixed. On one hand, it is kind of fun. On the other hand, it sort of feels like silly Star Trek fan fiction. And more so, almost all of the ideas were less facsimiles of Star Trek stuff. I've heard it gets better, but...
 

Umbran

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I'm sorry, but Charlie struck me as... Racist Wesley Crusher.

I was disappointed in an aspect of the episode - Isaac's role in events was repeatedly misrepresented, and nobody really pushed back on it. Isaac did not choose to betray the Union.

It is natural for people to think Isaac did so, and to have fear, and to rest their anger on him. For none of the bridge crew to go, "Wait, that's not what happened..." I find problematic.
 
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Umbran

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I just started season 1 and am mixed. On one hand, it is kind of fun. On the other hand, it sort of feels like silly Star Trek fan fiction. And more so, almost all of the ideas were less facsimiles of Star Trek stuff. I've heard it gets better, but...

Well, I've read that the first season is loaded with things Seth McFarlane intended for actual Trek scripts.
And yes, it does get better, pretty quickly.
 

The first episode of this season was certainly very different from the first episodes of the first season. Kinda feels like Seth always really just wanted to make a Star Trek (like) show and only put in humour because that's what Fox (and maybe fans from some of his other work?) wanted. But the Star Trek / Sci Fi crowd pretty much loved the "meat" of the story and the setting and with every season he dares (or is allowed to) go deeper into it. It's not Galaxy Quest [serial numbers filed off]: The TV series anymore!
I might miss some of the humour, but there was also a lot of stuff that just took me out of the story, particularly in the first season.

Unfortunately, I didn't remember enough of the details of the last season to notice that Charley falsely described Isaac's actions, but it felt a bit off to me at least.
I think "racist" Wesley Crusher doesn't really fit as characteriziation, though. First, racism already feels a bit too much like a departure of the whole Wesley Crusher deal, but Wesley was also a kid, and also the kind of character a kid might identify with, possibly also an author-insert - Charley is a trained officer with some experience and some unique sci-fi talent and just doesn't fit.
She's just a talented character, but she has a bad attitude.

In terms of Sci-Fi Captain comparisons: Ed Mercer would have ordered Worf to donate blood to the Romulan.
 

Ryujin

Legend
Can't really say that I was grabbed by S3E1. It just felt off to me. OK, they had to go there based on what happened previously. I think a large part of that was I just didn't buy the acting of the person playing the Charly character. It felt forced; too over the top. Maybe it's the actress finding her feet in the character. Maybe she's just a bad fit. Time will tell.
 


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