D&D (2024) Dungeons and Dragons future? Ray Winninger gives a nod to Mike Shea's proposed changes.

[Haplo781]

4e went too far. Opposite of 5e's "natural language" is technical writing(like with actual courses & such) but 4e too often sped past it straight into what was basically just a data dump & took it a step further by too often ctrl-c/ctrl-v the data between classes.

I am so goddamn tired of this objectively false talking point.

 

[doctorbadwolf]

Doesn't mean he's wrong.

Where would you even get evidence of that anyway? All we have for any of it is speculation, and whether or not you think well of WotC in general.

Evidence of what? That it’s ridiculous to argue that they’re lying because they’re lying?

Why does equality with wizards make my statement untrue??

You joking?

The game is balanced around math, and according to that math the rogue does plenty of damage without using reactions for offense.

 

[Micah Sweet]

Does the calculus change if the 2024 release is straight up 6E (albeit a 6E that is casually backwards compatible, also part of what Winninger winked at here)?

If it were straight up 6e I would be much happier with it. Then they can move on and leave 5e alone like the other past editions.

 

[Micah Sweet]

@GMforPowergamers checking really quickly the ToC, Monsters of the Multiverse covers 33 full Races in 30 Pages (the Genasi get 4 full Ra es in a 2 page spread), while the 2014 PHB gets 9 full Races and 14 options (full and sub) in 27 pages (3 pages per full Race average). I thinknthey can get that down under 15 pages, partly depends on whether some Subraces get upgraded or merged.

We're still looking for ways to cut down the page count...maybe for more art! How...great...would that be?

 

[GMforPowergamers]

I am so goddamn tired of this objectively false talking point.

it's better then some, but I agree. If you could find 10 'sets' of powers that were copy/paste I would be amazed... on the other hand if you think that there were 0 over lap and 0 similar ones I would fall out of my chair shocked...

4e had flaws. 4e needed work. 4e MAY have needed some extra fluff to mechanic ratio (although not what I need) but 4e was not the copy/paste edition.

 

[GMforPowergamers]

We're still looking for ways to cut down the page count...maybe for more art! How...great...would that be?

I am wondering if they will fit Artificer in.

 

[Henadic Theologian]

IIRC, the 2014 Race writeups average out to 4 pages each, whereas the MotM ones are about a page each, as are Spelljammer (fresh in my mind).

So 3 pages per Race, times 9 Races, is about 27 pages. If we assume as a baseline that each existing Subrace gets upgraded to a full Race ala MotM, then we are looking at 14 options in 14 pages or so, for a saving of approximately 22 pages. I'll check the actual books later to see if my coffee break math seems right.

By Grabthar's Hammer what a savings!

The leaves them enough room to add a few more races to the core, like Goblins and Aasimar, ones that keep popping up in all kinds of setting.

 

[Henadic Theologian]

I am wondering if they will fit Artificer in.

i hope so.

 

[Henadic Theologian]

We're still looking for ways to cut down the page count...maybe for more art! How...great...would that be?

You could also use some of that space to add a few amount of races that are common to alot of settings, like Aasimar, Genasi, Goblins, etc...

 

[Yaarel]

I hope 50e PH includes:
• Psion
• Artificer
• Warlord
• Swordmage