D&D (2024) Dungeons and Dragons future? Ray Winninger gives a nod to Mike Shea's proposed changes.

[Yaarel]

Does the calculus change if the 2024 release is straight up 6E (albeit a 6E that is casually backwards compatible, also part of what Winninger winked at here)?

In my eyes, "compatible" means using both 2014 books and 2024 books at the same table.

6e would mean such is impracticable.

5.5 is occasionally awkward but doable.

 

[Parmandur]

Anyone want to figure out how much space is saved if we move all the races to MotM style write ups... just removing the stat lines and adding the ones to the beginingI think could save 1/4 a page. I do wonder how dwraf subclass and half elf will work though

IIRC, the 2014 Race writeups average out to 4 pages each, whereas the MotM ones are about a page each, as are Spelljammer (fresh in my mind).

So 3 pages per Race, times 9 Races, is about 27 pages. If we assume as a baseline that each existing Subrace gets upgraded to a full Race ala MotM, then we are looking at 14 options in 14 pages or so, for a saving of approximately 22 pages. I'll check the actual books later to see if my coffee break math seems right.

 

[Parmandur]

In my eyes, "compatible" means using both 2014 books and 2024 books at the same table.

6e would mean such is impracticable.

5.5 is occasionally awkward but doable.

I think it can be done and still be called 6E. They did it in the 80's, they can do it now.

 

[Reynard]

In my eyes, "compatible" means using both 2014 books and 2024 books at the same table.

6e would mean such is impracticable.

5.5 is occasionally awkward but doable.

Which books? Can you use Sword and Fist at the same table as the 3.5 PHB?

 

[Yaarel]

Anyone want to figure out how much space is saved if we move all the races to MotM style write ups... just removing the stat lines and adding the ones to the beginingI think could save 1/4 a page. I do wonder how dwraf subclass and half elf will work though

For several reasons, I am ok with a separate Monster Manual for humanlike creatures.

Then the Monster Manual is for more nonhumanlike creatures.

 

[Reynard]

For several reasons, I am ok with a separate Monster Manual for humanlike creatures.

Then the Monster Manual is for more nonhumanlike creatures.

I think adding to the number of books necessary to run the game is a bad idea.

 

[Yaarel]

Which books? Can you use Sword and Fist at the same table as the 3.5 PHB?

Cant say. I never used it. If not usable, then it would defacto be a different edition.

I think it can be done and still be called 6E. They did it in the 80's, they can do it now.

Perhaps it shouldnt be done?

If there are enough innovations to warrant a new edition, I would rather it be done well on its own terms, rather than constrained by backwards compatibility and compromised by less good ways of doing something.

 

[GMforPowergamers]

Which books? Can you use Sword and Fist at the same table as the 3.5 PHB?

at the beginning we tried a few times to tweek... but as the complete books started we abandoned it even when not all the prestige classes got upgrades

 

[Parmandur]

IIRC, the 2014 Race writeups average out to 4 pages each, whereas the MotM ones are about a page each, as are Spelljammer (fresh in my mind).

So 3 pages per Race, times 9 Races, is about 27 pages. If we assume as a baseline that each existing Subrace gets upgraded to a full Race ala MotM, then we are looking at 14 options in 14 pages or so, for a saving of approximately 22 pages. I'll check the actual books later to see if my coffee break math seems right.

@GMforPowergamers checking really quickly the ToC, Monsters of the Multiverse covers 33 full Races in 30 Pages (the Genasi get 4 full Ra es in a 2 page spread), while the 2014 PHB gets 9 full Races and 14 options (full and sub) in 27 pages (3 pages per full Race average). I thinknthey can get that down under 15 pages, partly depends on whether some Subraces get upgraded or merged.

 

[Vaalingrade]

Which books? Can you use Sword and Fist at the same table as the 3.5 PHB?

They absolutely pretended you could at the time.