D&D 5E Being strong and skilled is a magic of its own or, how I learned to stop worrying and love anime fightin' magic

[dave2008]

Yup, the GMG has two fleshed out variants for changing the tone of item usage, depending on how:

Automatic Bonus Progression, which is probably what would fit the best.

High Quality Weapons and Armor, which I personally just think is neat.

I thought so, but it has been so long since I looked at the GMG

 

[dave2008]

I am hopeing. I just have to remember my twitter

I'm serious though. If you want change you have to organize. Simple discussion on these forums and responding to the surveys will not get you want you want. If you seriously want this for 5e, be serious about making it happen.

 

[Celebrim]

Saitama doesn't need that wuxia crap. He just needs one serious punch.

Martial prowess isn't to be found in complex tricks, nor is the problem in the power level between casters and martial classes primarily a combat problem.

 

[Greg K]

the problem is that zorro and robin hood are not what people see... they want mortal heroes just as awesome as the casters... they want batman and captain America and odyssus not 'soldier number 8'

Personally, I don't want to see Captain America or Batman. I want spellcasters toned down.

 

[Vaalingrade]

Much as it is clear to me that deleting the wizard at the top of the edition change would solve many problems, I don't actually want the get 'revenge' on caster players by taking away their fun and making their classes more boring.

I just want the classes I want to play to be less boring without having to become a caster or the vessel for a magic weapon.

 

[Celebrim]

Personally, I don't want to see Captain America or Batman. I want spellcasters toned down.

Captain America and Batman are actually under powered if you plan on taking your campaign up to 20th level.

It's not possible to tone spellcasters down and still have them be spellcasters. If you take spells from spellcasters and just give them attacks with the color of magic - similar to the 3e Warlock in many ways - then sure you can have balance, but you won't have magic or genre emulation.

If you don't want Captain America or Batman, stop playing at 6th level. Then things will be fine. But the idea that you can get to 10th or 12th level and not have Captain America or Batman just needs to stop.

 

[TwoSix]

It's not possible to tone spellcasters down and still have them be spellcasters. If you take spells from spellcasters and just give them attacks with the color of magic - similar to the 3e Warlock in many ways - then sure you can have balance, but you won't have magic or genre emulation.

I don't think that's true. I mean, 5e spellcasters are drastically tuned down from 3e and they're still spellcasters.

You can shear off the top levels of magic, and also reduce the overall spread of effects available to any one magic user class, and it'll still feel like a spellcaster. There is some point where the cuts would go too far, I'm sure, but we haven't reached that point yet.

 

[HammerMan]

I don't think that's true. I mean, 5e spellcasters are drastically tuned down from 3e and they're still spellcasters.

You can shear off the top levels of magic, and also reduce the overall spread of effects available to any one magic user class, and it'll still feel like a spellcaster. There is some point where the cuts would go too far, I'm sure, but we haven't reached that point yet.

4e did it too.

 

[TwoSix]

4e did it too.

Oh, I know, but bringing that up doesn't go anywhere good.

 

[FallenRX]

I think there is a cold reality that people don't want to accept about this, that i feel is true about how people actually feel about the Martial Caster gap.

People like it and think it should exist, Martials should not be at any point equal to the power of magic, only not limited by it, because thats what makes "magic" special in the eyes of a lot of people(i dont feel this way, but just noting the feeling, and how people feel about this stuff).

Magic is extraordinary, it's amazing, but if the martial can do what you do without magic, what makes magic, magic? Nothing.

I also think it breaks the reality of the world of a lot of people, magic is powerful because its extraordinary, but if the Martials are doing the same thing, what even is the world anymore?