[+] The Lord of the Rings: The Rings of Power - SPOILERS ALLOWED

[Paul Farquhar]

In the source material, he already has the ring at that point.

He does, but that is clearly changed. Which is probably a good thing in this case. If the One Ring is so all powerful how come the Numenorians could defeat him? It undermines the premise of The Lord of the Rings.

 

[reelo]

If the One Ring is so all powerful how come the Numenorians could defeat him? It undermines the premise of The Lord of the Rings.

Not at all. It is said that Sauron allowed himself to be taken prisoner and feigned humbleness. Seeing the might and pride of Númenoreans he probably thought it entertaining to have them rebel against the Valar, though he did not foresee that Númenor would be utterly destroyed and drowned. Had he not had the Ring (which, I would guess, he did NOT take to Númenor but left in Mordor) he would have been destroyed during the Drowning of Númenor.

 

[MarkB]

Not at all. It is said that Sauron allowed himself to be taken prisoner and feigned humbleness. Seeing the might and pride of Númenoreans he probably thought it entertaining to have them rebel against the Valar, though he did not foresee that Númenor would be utterly destroyed and drowned. Had he not had the Ring (which, I would guess, he did NOT take to Númenor but left in Mordor) he would have been destroyed during the Drowning of Númenor.

Maybe he just kept it hidden while he was there, Pulp Fiction style.

 

[reelo]

Maybe he just kept it hidden while he was there, Pulp Fiction style.

Well I guess it would have been swallowed by the Sundering Sea then. The way I understand it —and I may be completely off the mark here— is that Sauron did indeed die when Númenor sank, but since the One Ring already existed and, more imprlortantly, he knew where it was and had access to it, his naked "spirit" was able to take shape again rather quickly after that "incident".

 

[Paul Farquhar]

Not at all. It is said that Sauron allowed himself to be taken prisoner and feigned humbleness. Seeing the might and pride of Númenoreans he probably thought it entertaining to have them rebel against the Valar

This is a matter of the motivation of Sauron, which isn't well defined. Does he seek power, or seek to cause suffering? Given how the One Ring is portrayed in LotR, you are suggesting he threw a fight he could easily have won purely to engage is a spot of sadism.

though he did not foresee that Númenor would be utterly destroyed and drowned.

That would make Sauron to be really pretty dumb.

 

[Paul Farquhar]

Well I guess it would have been swallowed by the Sundering Sea then. The way I understand it —and I may be completely off the mark here— is that Sauron did indeed die when Númenor sank, but since the One Ring already existed and, more imprlortantly, he knew where it was and had access to it, his naked "spirit" was able to take shape again rather quickly after that "incident".

That would be my interpretation too. His physical form died, just like Gandalf's did in the Balrog fight.

The idea that he would have been willingly parted from the One Ring seems a little unlikely though.

 

[Ryujin]

From what we saw in the movies, the victors took The One Ring at the final battle and were going to destroy it in the fires of Mount Doom. Then Isildur refused to destroy it and was later killed in battle, losing the ring in a river where he fell. This is where, more than two thousand years later, Gollum finds His Precious.

 

[Paul Farquhar]

From what we saw in the movies, the victors took The One Ring at the final battle and were going to destroy it in the fires of Mount Doom. Then Isildur refused to destroy it and was later killed in battle, losing the ring in a river where he fell. This is where, more than two thousand years later, Gollum finds His Precious.

But the battle in which Numenor defeats Sauron and drags him home in chains isn't the FINAL battle.

 

[Ryujin]

But the battle in which Numenor defeats Sauron and drags him home in chains isn't the FINAL battle.

True enough. Still, it's the one in which Sauron loses the ring, when it's cut from his hand.

 

[Zubatcarteira]

I liked the Hobbit parts, the Elf bois in the slave camp was alright, but I'm not liking the Numenor stuff, just weird how things are going, and what the hell was that horse slow-mo scene.