[+] The Lord of the Rings: The Rings of Power - SPOILERS ALLOWED

True enough. Still, it's the one in which Sauron loses the ring, when it's cut from his hand.
No it isn't, he is defeated by Numenorian forces before that in the source material. But for some reason Tolkien doesn't explain well Sauron is captured without the Ring. He then persuades the Numenorians to attack heaven, with predictable results, returns to Middle Earth, sets himself up again, is defeated by the Last Alliance of Elves and Men (not just Numenorians), and then the ring is cut from his hand.
 

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He does, but that is clearly changed. Which is probably a good thing in this case. If the One Ring is so all powerful how come the Numenorians could defeat him? It undermines the premise of The Lord of the Rings.
I don't think it completely undermines it, nor is the ring all powerful. It's got the majority of Sauron's power worked into it, sure, but neither Morgoth nor Sauron were ever completely invulnerable to personal might. But the impression in the appendices is that the might of the Númenorians was SO overwhelming when they went after him his forces honestly routed from the field. He may have foreseen an opportunity to prey on Númenorian pride and fear of death when he begged pardon and that may be why he too didn't flee?
I think this is an important element of the fall of Númenor story. They were at their utter apex in power, capable of actually defeating Sauron, when they were destroyed because of their own excessive ambition. And how the mighty have fallen...
 

Here is how I think the TV series will play out (if it runs its full course).

Celebrimbor crafts the 3 rings, with the help of Durin IV.
Adar (AKA Fake-Sauron) declares himself in Mordor.
Galadriel leads an army of Numenorians to attack Fake-Sauron. [end of series one]
Meanwhile, Real-Sauron befriends Celebrimbor.
Fake-Sauron persuades the Numenorians to attack the Valar.
Real-Sauron suggests that rings for men and dwarves would help to secure future alliances.
Numenor sinks, Real-Sauron crafts the One Ring. [end of series two]
 

I think this is an important element of the fall of Númenor story. They were at their utter apex in power, capable of actually defeating Sauron
This is the kind of thing that wouldn't work well in TV. How do you show that power? Unless you are going to take the high magic approach and give them an army of fireball throwing wizards, you are limited to conventional pseudo-medieval military might. Which would not plausibly have a chance against the magical power of the One Ring as depicted in the movie. Remember, TV doesn't do subtle magic.
 
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No it isn't, he is defeated by Numenorian forces before that in the source material. But for some reason Tolkien doesn't explain well Sauron is captured without the Ring. He then persuades the Numenorians to attack heaven, with predictable results, returns to Middle Earth, sets himself up again, is defeated by the Last Alliance of Elves and Men (not just Numenorians), and then the ring is cut from his hand.
I don't remember anything from The Silmarillion. Too long ago and too boring a read.

EDIT - And that's from a guy who used to read mythology and religious texts for fun.
 

He does, but that is clearly changed. Which is probably a good thing in this case. If the One Ring is so all powerful how come the Numenorians could defeat him? It undermines the premise of The Lord of the Rings.
One of the dominant themes of the Lord of the Rings was the diminishing of mortals. The people of the Third Age were lesser than those of the Second Age, who were themselves lesser than those of the First. Moreover, the Numenoreans had received great blessings and gifts from the Valar, most of which were withdrawn with Numenor's downfall.

I do agree that this is tricky to show on TV. LotR has a lot of subtle themes which just don't translate to the screen. However, it's not necessary to depict Numenor beating Sauron down. In the books, it's not indicated that any battle took place at all--Sauron's armies flee before Numenor's might, and Sauron comes out to surrender. The show can simply follow that path, with a bit of exposition to tell the audience that not even the Ring can overcome the might of Numenor.

(As for the Ring, IIRC, Tolkien said that Sauron did take it with him to Numenor. After Numenor fell and Sauron's body was destroyed, his spirit retained enough power to carry it back across the sea.)
 

Seems likely.

In the source material Sauron's forces are defeated by the Numenorians (and it is implied that it was a ploy). It seems likely this will also happen in the TV series. No reason that should prevent him accessing Mt. Doom if he is in the guise of a good guy.
In the books it's Ar-Pharazon that led the Numenoreans to sail against Aman. In this show Pharazon is chancellor. I wouldn't put it past the writers to have Chancellor Palpatine, I mean Pharazon be Sauron in this show.
 

He does, but that is clearly changed. Which is probably a good thing in this case. If the One Ring is so all powerful how come the Numenorians could defeat him? It undermines the premise of The Lord of the Rings.
The Numenoreans had gifts(enhanced life, strength, technology, etc.) from the Valar, plus the gifts of blood they got from having elven and maia blood in their veins. They were mighty enough and had great enough numbers that they could have destroyed him and all of his orcs, so Sauron surrendered and went to work from within to poison and ultimately destroy them.
 

In the books it's Ar-Pharazon that led the Numenoreans to sail against Aman. In this show Pharazon is chancellor. I wouldn't put it past the writers to have Chancellor Palpatine, I mean Pharazon be Sauron in this show.
On the death of King Tar-Palantir, his daughter Tar-Miriel was to succeed to the throne, but Pharazon forced her into marriage and claimed it for himself.

Since Tar-Palantir is still alive in the show, with Miriel being referred to as "queen regent," they have not contradicted this plotline yet... though they are certainly stretching it a bit.
 

That would be my interpretation too. His physical form died, just like Gandalf's did in the Balrog fight.

The idea that he would have been willingly parted from the One Ring seems a little unlikely though.
We know from the books that he wasn't invincible with it and he would surely know that. There's no way that he would take it with him when as a prisoner he would be searched thoroughly before he would be imprisoned on Numenor. Plus he would know that if he hid it so that it could not be found, he would be able to use it to reform himself should he be killed. Given the circumstances, it was very likely that he would have willingly been parted from the ring.
 

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