D&D General Younger Players Telling Us how Old School Gamers Played

[Charlaquin]

You know, I think I’m just going to walk away from this thread. People are clearly very passionate about this subject and I don’t fancy getting put on anyone’s ignore list over silly YouTube drama.

 

[GMforPowergamers]

Well, that makes me sleep better! Good to know that you might be willing to give someone who actually knows the rules and the history and has repeatedly posted about the topic .... a chance ... so long as they don't disagree with a clickbait youtuber who just learned himself OD&D!

Thank you!!!!!

(And this is why Sacrosanct started the thread.)

more like I would try to see your side if your side wasn't miss reading the other side

I have yet to see 1 bit of 1e info in this thread that contradicts what he said...

there was a rule (you claim it not to be arule but that is teh same advice/guideline/rule argument that always gets no where)

Some people ignored it and some didn't... yup that's what he said

it was for large groups to share a common campagin world... and again that is what he said

 

[Sacrosanct]

no it isn't... he brought up a rule most of us have never heard of and gave 3 options... they either did it, ignored it or chose not to... BUT it was a rule and style choice...

now instead of ignore I would have said house ruled, but that isn't that big a deal. He found a rule and is extrapolating how it interacts with the game

look I doubt you are much older then me, just cause I joined the game in 2e over 1e isn't that big a difference

This is what he actually said, and none of it is universally true. And it's all under the argument of "This is how the game was played back then":

2:15 “Most people didn’t know about. They literally didn’t see it. They missed it in the books.”

2:48: “The early DMs didn’t build worlds, they built dungeons”

2:58: “The assumption was that all D&D games took place in a shared world. You focused a dungeon.”

3:15 “Progress was made by how many rooms you explored.”

4:08 “You didn’t play with one group of players.”

4:55 “Games would end when you got back to town.”

7:55 “They all played in one world where anyone could play with anyone else.” (I stopped tracking here because I have a meeting I have to get to."

So you wanna keep telling me that he didn't say what he quite literally did? Extra points in that you're telling other that they are the ones misinterpreting things.

 

[GMforPowergamers]

This is what he actually said, and none of it is universally true. And it's all under the argument of "This is how the game was played back then":

2:15 “Most people didn’t know about. They literally didn’t see it. They missed it in the books.”

okay, so most people didn't know about it sounds exactly like the things said on this site every day about every DMG rule... so what is wrong with that?

2:48: “The early DMs didn’t build worlds, they built dungeons”

where I disagree they normally built dungeons as part of there worlds, I think he is pretty clear in meaning the dungeon being the important part and have not heard this repudiated yet.

2:58: “The assumption was that all D&D games took place in a shared world. You focused a dungeon.”

when useing this rule that is true ask snarf

3:15 “Progress was made by how many rooms you explored.”

4:08 “You didn’t play with one group of players.”

and both of these were confirmed in this thread...

4:55 “Games would end when you got back to town.”

again confirmed in this thread.

7:55 “They all played in one world where anyone could play with anyone else.”

again look at the context... not the whole world, the group. As snarf said the 20 or so players to that 1 DM

So you wanna keep telling me that he didn't say what he quite literally did? Extra points in that you're telling other that they are the ones misinterpreting things.

Yeah, you are readding into it all a rudeness that isn't there and getting upset about things he didn't say

 

[Sacrosanct]

okay, so most people didn't know about it sounds exactly like the things said on this site every day about every DMG rule... so what is wrong with that?

where I disagree they normally built dungeons as part of there worlds, I think he is pretty clear in meaning the dungeon being the important part and have not heard this repudiated yet.

when useing this rule that is true ask snarf

and both of these were confirmed in this thread...

again confirmed in this thread.

again look at the context... not the whole world, the group. As snarf said the 20 or so players to that 1 DM

Yeah, you are readding into it all a rudeness that isn't there and getting upset about things he didn't say

No, those things weren't confirmed in this thread.

Look. As far as I can tell, you've got everyone who was there and played back then (and many of us still play the same way now) telling you that video is full of incorrect assumptions. And we've got people who weren't there saying "nah, you guys are all wrong and just misinterpreting him."

think about that for a second. If you weren't at woodstock, do you tell everyone who was there that they are wrong about what it was like? If you've never been to a pro football game, do you tell people who did go that they are wrong?

 

[GMforPowergamers]

No, those things weren't confirmed in this thread.

Look. As far as I can tell, you've got everyone who was there and played back then (and many of us still play the same way now) telling you that video is full of incorrect assumptions. And we've got people who weren't there saying "nah, you guys are all wrong and just misinterpreting him."

think about that for a second. If you weren't at woodstock, do you tell everyone who was there that they are wrong about what it was like? If you've never been to a pro football game, do you tell people who did go that they are wrong?

i give up stay mad

 

[Cordwainer Fish]

If you know what Woodstock was like, you weren't there.

 

[Snarf Zagyg]

So you wanna keep telling me that he didn't say what he quite literally did? Extra points in that you're telling other that they are the ones misinterpreting things.

If only someone had written a book about the history of TTRPGs.

Playing at the World

playingattheworld.blogspot.com

But that might be hard. If only someone had written a book specifically about the early evolution of TTRPGs in the 1970s, with a focus on D&D.

Review: Jon Peterson's The Elusive Shift

I realized that I never did an actual review of Jon Peterson's The Elusive Shift: How Role Playing Games Forged Their Identity. It's not his most recent book, Game Wizards, which I reviewed here. But it was released at the very end of 2020 (very end of December) so you might have missed it...

www.enworld.org

But that also might be hard. If only someone had written a series of post, here on enworld, about a book that had been published.

D&D General - Understanding the Design Principles in Early D&D

As per usual, I saw something in another thread that captured my attention. Specifically, it was the issue of game design- and how early D&D (OD&D and AD&D, aka 0e and 1e) were designed, and the ways in which they differed greatly from the design principles that we are more familiar with today...

www.enworld.org

D&D General - The Eternal Braid: Why D&D Continuing Dialogue With RPGs is its Success (This is the third of three essays)

Etc. There is so much great material out there.

 

[Sacrosanct]

If only someone had written a book about the history of TTRPGs.

Playing at the World

playingattheworld.blogspot.com

But that might be hard. If only someone had written a book specifically about the early evolution of TTRPGs in the 1970s, with a focus on D&D.

Review: Jon Peterson's The Elusive Shift

I realized that I never did an actual review of Jon Peterson's The Elusive Shift: How Role Playing Games Forged Their Identity. It's not his most recent book, Game Wizards, which I reviewed here. But it was released at the very end of 2020 (very end of December) so you might have missed it...

www.enworld.org

But that also might be hard. If only someone had written a series of post, here on enworld, about a book that had been published.

D&D General - Understanding the Design Principles in Early D&D

As per usual, I saw something in another thread that captured my attention. Specifically, it was the issue of game design- and how early D&D (OD&D and AD&D, aka 0e and 1e) were designed, and the ways in which they differed greatly from the design principles that we are more familiar with today...

www.enworld.org

D&D General - The Eternal Braid: Why D&D Continuing Dialogue With RPGs is its Success (This is the third of three essays)

Etc. There is so much great material out there.

Too much effort. Instead, "Hey, I saw Questing Beast make this claim about this rule that apparently no one ever knew about (we did), so now let tell you how D&D was played in the early days!"

And here we are, at a place where if you express frustration about someone mischaracterizing you, it's your fault for being frustrated, and not the person who is making the false assumptions.

*edit And yes, being told over and over and over again "Well, I was never there, but I watched a video of someone who was, so let me educate you about how it really was despite your own first hand experience!" is frustrating.

 

[Snarf Zagyg]

Too much effort. Instead, "Hey, I saw Questing Beast make this claim about this rule that apparently no one ever knew about (we did), so now let tell you how D&D was played in the early days!"

And here we are, at a place where if you express frustration about someone mischaracterizing you, it's your fault for being frustrated, and not the person who is making the false assumptions.

*edit And yes, being told over and over and over again "Well, I was never there, but I watched a video of someone who was, so let me educate you about how it really was despite your own first hand experience!" is frustrating.

Yeah. I wonder what the reaction would be if I went on youtube and told people how they played 5e because I read the DMG and proceeded to explain to them that I knew how they played better than they did because I found a rule in the DMG that they never knew about.

Thinking

Oh, wait, no one reads the DMG! I could totally do that. I think I'm just going to start making stuff up.