WotC WotC needs an Elon Musk

[darjr]

The PHB broke the top 10 out of all books on Amazon US.

Unmusked

 

[Levistus's_Leviathan]

lol, its the principle. Dont tease me with a UA that has something that makes sense for the setting, only to remove it in the final copy.

But why does that matter? Can't you just use the UA version? That's free. It's on their website. You can download that right now, print it off, and then WotC can never take that away from you. I still use the UA versions of a lot of stuff in my games.

1. OK, but that still doesnt cover me for actually having a book I enjoy holding, reading, looking over, thinking about. Its essentially an SRD.
2. Probably not good enough, because again its sterile. Its 'tech manual' it just isnt a complete product.

But you have a "complete product". You have the older books you bought for previous editions. You literally said you just want updated mechanics. Why does the rest of the book need to be the same if you have the updated mechanics?

Now, if you provide those updates, and the rest is all just a polish on the old lore, and doesnt change things? Yeah, I'd be ok with that.

Like this Dragonlance book. If it had SIMPLY included the logical, setting appropriate restrictions on the feats, LITERALLY thats it, I would have slammed down my wallet and said "I want the limited edition, best copy you have" because everything else looks like they slotted it into 5e with no issue!

But why does that matter? You have the older setting books and adventures. You can use those. You have the UA. You can print that off and use it. "Officiality" doesn't matter to your table unless you play Adventurer's League.

Who cares what the new book says? You have the old books. You have the new mechanics. You have the new adventure path that only has evil Black Robe Mages and good White Robe Mages. The 3 sentences of recommended alignment for 3 optional feats doesn't alter how you use the book at the table. You know how Dragonlance is "supposed to work", in your words. The book not following that doesn't matter.

Upon such hills, we must take our stand against the removal of things we like, because the ONLY thing Wizards hears, is $$$.

I don't think that money is the only thing that they listen to. How many people were boycotting Spelljammer because of the Hadozee? Definitely not enough to make a difference in revenue. But they still made a big deal out of the errata.

 

[Levistus's_Leviathan]

They don't introduce anywhere near enough.

You say without having bought or read the books. Tomb of Annihilation goes pretty far in-depth in Chult lore. I read Tomb of Annihilation before I watched Mr. Rhexx's Chult Lore video, and there really isn't much of a difference. Tomb of Annihilation is a really, really good gazetteer for Chult.

I'm going to bet that it gives some sparse broad overview of the region and only details the few locations it uses.

Not at all. If you read the books, you'd know that.

 

[Micah Sweet]

But why does that matter? Can't you just use the UA version? That's free. It's on their website. You can download that right now, print it off, and then WotC can never take that away from you. I still use the UA versions of a lot of stuff in my games.

But you have a "complete product". You have the older books you bought for previous editions. You literally said you just want updated mechanics. Why does the rest of the book need to be the same if you have the updated mechanics?

But why does that matter? You have the older setting books and adventures. You can use those. You have the UA. You can print that off and use it. "Officiality" doesn't matter to your table unless you play Adventurer's League.

Who cares what the new book says? You have the old books. You have the new mechanics. You have the new adventure path that only has evil Black Robe Mages and good White Robe Mages. The 3 sentences of recommended alignment for 3 optional feats doesn't alter how you use the book at the table. You know how Dragonlance is "supposed to work", in your words. The book not following that doesn't matter.

I don't think that money is the only thing that they listen to. How many people were boycotting Spelljammer because of the Hadozee? Definitely not enough to make a difference in revenue. But they still made a big deal out of the errata.

Regarding that last point, social issues strongly in the public eye are always going to be the exception, because bad press ultimately leads back to $$$ too.

 

[Parmandur]

Sure. If all you can get is a glass of water while you are dying of thirst in the desert, you're going to buy the glass of water. That doesn't mean you wouldn't rather have a full canteen.

Well, since SCAG, they have refined their approach, for sure.

 

[Parmandur]

I'm going to bet that it gives some sparse broad overview of the region and only details the few locations it uses.

That...really shows that you haven't read the book. The actual Settijg info in ToA is more than the 2E book had, by page count.

The Waterdeep and Baldur's Gate Gazeeters are very extensive in their respective books, and Icewind Dale as well.

 

[Scribe]

How many people were boycotting Spelljammer because of the Hadozee? Definitely not enough to make a difference in revenue. But they still made a big deal out of the errata.

How much would it have impacted further sales, if they did nothing? I would wager that the continued (rightful) complaints would have registered, would have been picked up by the press. That errata needed to happen. 100%

But why does that matter? Can't you just use the UA version? That's free. It's on their website. You can download that right now, print it off, and then WotC can never take that away from you. I still use the UA versions of a lot of stuff in my games.

Because then it wouldnt be in my book. That is the totality of it. If I am going to buy a book, I want it to be complete. If they cannot help themselves from ruining things (in my completely biased and subjective view as we all hold) then I'm not going to take a piece from here, download this over there, print them out as I despise digital, and then...what, cut the book up? No.

You have the new adventure path that only has evil Black Robe Mages and good White Robe Mages. The 3 sentences of recommended alignment for 3 optional feats doesn't alter how you use the book at the table. You know how Dragonlance is "supposed to work", in your words. The book not following that doesn't matter.

And this is the funny part. The adventure sounds great. The various Orders are described, behave, and look to line up all as they should. It actually looks pretty much perfect.

But they removed restrictions anyway, despite pitching the whole thing exactly in line with how the setting should be, they just had to do it. I have a view on why, but its just pissing me off so...it is what it is.

 

[Maxperson]

Well, since SCAG, they have refined their approach, for sure.

They showed that with Spelljammer and the even sparser lore. They've certainly refined their ability to sell less for more.

 

[Maxperson]

That...really shows that you haven't read the book. The actual Settijg info in ToA is more than the 2E book had, by page count.

I don't remember what the 2e book had. How does it stack up to the 3e lore?

 

[Levistus's_Leviathan]

Regarding that last point, social issues strongly in the public eye are always going to be the exception, because bad press ultimately leads back to $$$ too.

I'm not sure if it does. A lot of the time, companies use or even manufacture controversy in order to get free advertising by people on social media. "There's no such thing as bad press", after all.