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[Remathilis]

That is basically what I want yes.

So two questions.

1. At what point do you want the setting to "lock" (receive no updates but mechanical)? For example, Would you want all Ravenloft updates to reflect the Black Box, Red Box, Domains of Dread or Arthaus version of the setting? Greyhawk based on the Folio, From the Ashes, Living Greyhawk Gazetteer or Supplement V?

2. If we are reprinting the text and only updating mechanics, I assume that would mean most settings would only have the options available when it was first printed? So no druids in Dragonlance, no sorcerers or warlocks in Faerun, no dragonborn anywhere but Nerath, etc?

 

[Umbran]

But, is it?

Bob Igor is back at running Disney. Russell T. Davies is back as showrunner of Doctor Who. I think that, barring a few exceptions, you're going to see more Old Guard coming back into prominence, rather than bold new voices.

Well, for Russel T Davies and Who - there's an empirical point that they brought in a new person (Chibnall) and viewership dropped over time - like from 8 million viewers per episode down to near 3 million per episode. And the critique, broadly (and my personal opinion) is that the actors were great, but the writing wasn't. So, stepping back to someone with known performance makes a goodly bit of sense.

See my reply to @Micah Sweet. There's no such thing as bad press. I'm not convinced that Spelljammer would have lost money because of the Hadozee controversy.

I think your assessment of the issue is too specific. It isn't that the one product would lose money, but that the company, overall, would look insensitive. That can lead to a subtle depression of sales over the whole line of products. over time.

 

[Zardnaar]

Fallout from Spelljammer more likely dur to it being crap.

We'll see if there's any fallout assuming it's even from Spelljammer.

Alot of angry MtG players, D&D is peanuts by comparison.

 

[Micah Sweet]

So two questions.

1. At what point do you want the setting to "lock" (receive no updates but mechanical)? For example, Would you want all Ravenloft updates to reflect the Black Box, Red Box, Domains of Dread or Arthaus version of the setting? Greyhawk based on the Folio, From the Ashes, Living Greyhawk Gazetteer or Supplement V?

2. If we are reprinting the text and only updating mechanics, I assume that would mean most settings would only have the options available when it was first printed? So no druids in Dragonlance, no sorcerers or warlocks in Faerun, no dragonborn anywhere but Nerath, etc?

1. For me personally? Ravenloft at the last thing Arthaus/White Wolf published for 3e. Dragonlance at the same point in 3e that Sovereign Press stopped making DL books. Spelljammer is irrelevant (I have a great fan made supplement for 5e), and the same for Planescape. Both are fine at the point they ended in 2e (I didn't like Faction War, but I could always set the game prior to it). Dark Sun at the end of 2e (although I'm not averse to the 4e updates particularly). Greyhawk and the rest I don't care about.

2. I don't actually need the lore (I have it you see), just the mechanics updates. Late 3e is good enough for most mechanical to exist in some form, but I'm cool with some wiggle room for new to the setting mechanics if they can be made to work with the existing lore.

For the record, they could release the mechanics I want as a short online document, and I would happily pay for it.

 

[JEB]

Those of you who want a 5E setting update that's literally a copy-paste of, say, the 2E setting but with updated mechanics, a question. What did you think of Eberron? It wasn't a copy-paste, and it made a few minor retcons to the setting as presented in earlier editions, but it syncs up pretty well with earlier lore. I thought it was an example of doing setting updates right for maximum appeal, but now y'all are making me wonder if it was a step too far for some of you.

 

[Levistus's_Leviathan]

Those of you who want a 5E setting update that's literally a copy-paste of, say, the 2E setting but with updated mechanics, a question. What did you think of Eberron? It wasn't a copy-paste, and it made a few minor retcons to the setting as presented in earlier editions, but it syncs up pretty well with earlier lore. I thought it was an example of doing setting updates right for maximum appeal, but now y'all are making me wonder if it was a step too far for some of you.

IIRC, neither of the people that have said that they want copy-pastes of 2e settings with updated mechanics are fans of Eberron. I find that "lore purists" and people that enjoy Eberron don't tend to mix well.

 

[Scribe]

Those of you who want a 5E setting update that's literally a copy-paste of, say, the 2E setting but with updated mechanics, a question. What did you think of Eberron? It wasn't a copy-paste, and it made a few minor retcons to the setting as presented in earlier editions, but it syncs up pretty well with earlier lore. I thought it was an example of doing setting updates right for maximum appeal, but now y'all are making me wonder if it was a step too far for some of you.

Eberron isnt something I had a childhood attachment to, and isnt a setting I particularly am drawn to with its subversion of a lot of the tropes I grew up with.

That said, its seemingly direct line and continued attention from the creator, is a massive massive plus.

 

[Micah Sweet]

Those of you who want a 5E setting update that's literally a copy-paste of, say, the 2E setting but with updated mechanics, a question. What did you think of Eberron? It wasn't a copy-paste, and it made a few minor retcons to the setting as presented in earlier editions, but it syncs up pretty well with earlier lore. I thought it was an example of doing setting updates right for maximum appeal, but now y'all are making me wonder if it was a step too far for some of you.

Eberron came out in the 3e era, years after I had invested in other settings, and honestly I don't really care all that much about it. To me, Eberron is where artificers and the warforged (both awesome) come from, and that's about it. The rest of the setting doesn't mean much to me.

 

[Scribe]

To me, Eberron is where artificers and the warforged (both awesome) come from, and that's about it. The rest of the setting doesn't mean much to me.

See, I dont even like Artificers.... lol

 

[Remathilis]

1. For me personally? Ravenloft at the last thing Arthaus/White Wolf published for 3e. Dragonlance at the same point in 3e that Sovereign Press stopped making DL books. Spelljammer is irrelevant (I have a great fan made supplement for 5e), and the same for Planescape. Both are fine at the point they ended in 2e (I didn't like Faction War, but I could always set the game prior to it). Dark Sun at the end of 2e (although I'm not averse to the 4e updates particularly). Greyhawk and the rest I don't care about.

2. I don't actually need the lore (I have it you see), just the mechanics updates. Late 3e is good enough for most mechanical to exist in some form, but I'm cool with some wiggle room for new to the setting mechanics if they can be made to work with the existing lore.

For the record, they could release the mechanics I want as a short online document, and I would happily pay for it.

So basically, if they had put kender and warforged into Monsters of the Multiverse*, we wouldn't have needed an Eberron or Dragonlance book?

* And similar books for classes/subclasses, feats backgrounds and magic items/spells.

Also, thank you for being completely transparent that where each setting would stop is subjective based on when you stopped liking the changes rather than try to justify it with some objective measure.