Dragonlance Dragonlance cataclysm and a bit about Paladine

[Reynard]

wait... what are YOU talking about?

slavery stoneing or other crimes? and what one of these things do you think WotC wants to be associated with?

I was trying to avoid breaking rules. What I am saying is that the main religions still culturally pervasive today include and embrace events exactly like the Cataclysm, so it is a bit baffling when folks who live in societies literally built around those stories grasp their pearls that such a thing exists in D&D.

 

[GMforPowergamers]

I was trying to avoid breaking rules. What I am saying is that the main religions still culturally pervasive today include and embrace events exactly like the Cataclysm, so it is a bit baffling when folks who live in societies literally built around those stories grasp their pearls that such a thing exists in D&D.

I live in the wester world (although the east coast of the US) and I don't know many (even preachers) that take the bible as 100% word for word. Where I am sure there ARE people that want to hold up the religious books with no eye for evolution of morality, I don't think it is common, and I know of no large companies that would want to risk being associated with such.

Again, I don't want to talk about real world stuff... I don't want to talk about real world religion. I want to talk about the game of make believe about elves and dragons.

 

[Reynard]

I want to talk about the game of make believe about elves and dragons.

Me too.

Why does it seem out of genre or otherwise weird for such a world populated by very real gods, that those gods might smash a corrupt society?

 

[billd91]

I will never not be shocked that people take umbrage with the good gods bringing the hurt. I mean, it is literally part of most every religion as far back as we have evidence. It is a defining feature of human mythology.

Because, on the internet, Good must be absolutely perfect or it’s not Good. It comes up time and time again on gamer boards and in alignment debates.

 

[Greenstone.Walker]

So the retcon was that the Gods gave mortals multiple chances to redeem themselves and each try failed. Eventually, they decided to turn Istar off and on again in the hopes they would learn their lesson.

It's still very tough love (and I don't think it will dissuade anyone who saw them as evil) but it did soften it by saying "we kept giving you a chance, you kept blowing it."

I get this vibe from the books. Over and over, the peoples of Krynn learn the wrong lessons from history, particularly from the actions of the gods.

 

[GMforPowergamers]

Me too.

Why does it seem out of genre or otherwise weird for such a world populated by very real gods, that those gods might smash a corrupt society?

because the good alignment out of game says they wont... so gods that aren't good should/would/could gods that are good should be questioned VERY hard the same as if a PC of good alignment tried to kill a town to get the evil mayor.

 

[GMforPowergamers]

Because, on the internet, Good must be absolutely perfect or it’s not Good. It comes up time and time again on gamer boards and in alignment debates.

maybe if you see it come up time and time again you might consider there is a portion of the base that actually believes it.

 

[Scribe]

maybe if you see it come up time and time again you might consider there is a portion of the base that actually believes it.

"One True Way."

 

[GMforPowergamers]

"One True Way."

as apposed to YOUR one true way...

 

[Scribe]

as apposed to YOUR one true way...

Not in the least. I just know LE when I see it.