NEWS; Gunning down the Snyderverse UPDATE Cavill gets the Kryptonite handshake!

[Mannahnin]

Can't say that it really surprises me all that much. The first Wonder Woman movie was quite good, despite devolving to the usual CGI-fest of an ending. The second movie felt tone deaf to me.

That first one was good and could have been great if they came up with a better ending. Seriously, beating the god of war in a fight? That's one of those paradoxical seemingly-impossible challenges which screams for a clever solution. Something more like what Dr. Strange did at the end of his first movie. It'd be thematically appropriate too- in a lot of the Greek myths the heroes win through by cleverness rather than brute force. Even Hercules with his labors often had to resolve really tricky situations which pure strength wouldn't fix.

Have you seen his Suicide Squad movie? That is a movie that finds every opportunity to kill people in horrible ways, mostly at the hands of Squad members. I know, I know - they're not "heroes". But...yeesh. And his Guardians of the Galaxy movies enjoy at least one good brutal kill-fest per movie.

The ones in GotG genuinely threw me. I'm particularly thinking of GotG2, where they break Yondo out and then he just walks through the ship slaughtering everyone. It was weird and incongruous after the humorous tone of much of the action with the Ravagers, especially with the sense you got watching that most of them would probably follow any strong leader. I expected either escape or Yondu to take over again, but no- just kill everyone. Also on review, I guess that faction had spaced all Yondu's loyalists, which again, seemed a bit oddly brutal for a GotG/Marvel movie. I feel like that plot could have resolved just as easily as the rebellion without the spacing, and Yondu taking command of the Ravagers again, maybe with the deaths of just Taserface and one or two other nasty sorts.

 

[Ryujin]

Honestly, I feel like there should be TWO DC universe of movie: one for Batman and the other 'Street Detective' types of characters (Green Arrow, The Question, Huntress, Black Canary, etc) and one for the Gods (Superman, Wonder Woman, Green Lantern, Martian Manhunter, Flash, Shazam, etc). The first one can be more grounded and gritty, with a relatively lower budget where you can give more freedom to Directors, and the other more spectacular and high budget.

I would say that they have just revealed two separate DC universes, however, they aren't split up in that way. The BvS universe is distinct from the "Black Adam" universe. They have effectively done the Earth 1/Earth 2 split with one being the home of the Justice League of America and the other housing The Justice Society of America. Modern Age vs. Golden Age.

 

[Gradine]

I'm just hoping that Robert Battenson and friends survive this. I can take or leave everything else

 

[Rabulias]

I'm just hoping that Robert Battenson and friends survive this. I can take or leave everything else

I assume you mean Robert Pattinson?

 

[MGibster]

Whatever they do, I honestly don't think we need an origin movie for Batman or Superman at this point. You can certainly have movies that reference their origins, but we don't need to see Clark and Bruce become Superman and Batman. Just start out with them in that role and go from there.

 

[pukunui]

Whatever they do, I honestly don't think we need an origin movie for Batman or Superman at this point. You can certainly have movies that reference their origins, but we don't need to see Clark and Bruce become Superman and Batman. Just start out with them in that role and go from there.

Like the MCU did with Spiderman. That worked fine, I thought.

 

[Ryujin]

Like the MCU did with Spiderman. That worked fine, I thought.

I think that Pattinson's Batman might be the first time that the DC cinematic universe has skipped an origin story. Maybe they're learning?

 

[GreyLord]

I think that Pattinson's Batman might be the first time that the DC cinematic universe has skipped an origin story. Maybe they're learning?

I don't believe they had one for Affleck's Batman either.

 

[Andvari]

My opinion on the DC movies I've seen over the last decade.

Man of Steel (2013) - Good
Batman vs Superman (2016) - Crap
Suicide Squad (2016) - Crap
Justice League (2017) - Megacrap
Wonder Woman (2017) - Good
Aquaman (2018) - Mediocre
Joker (2019) - Good
Shazam (2019) - Good
Wonder Woman 1984 (2020) - Crap
The Suicide Squad (2021) - Good
The Batman (2022) - Great

The ending of the first Wonder Woman was sadly a standard CGI hellscape. I thought WW84 was actually off to a good start, but then got worse as the movie progressed. The 2nd attempt at a Suicide Squad movie has a peculiar style of humor which sat well with me. I have not seen the Snyder edition of Justice League. Felt slightly wrong to include Joker, as it's quite a different kind of movie.

Also, I just discovered there's a 2011 Wonder Woman TV movie starring Adrianne Palicki, and Pedro Pascal is in it. Not the best ratings on that one, though.

 

[ART!]

I don't believe they had one for Affleck's Batman either.

Well, he didn't have his own movie, so there kind of wasn't time - that said, we still got a couple references to his origin. That's all you need, really, for these best-known characters.

On the topic of movie-going and box-office in the last couple of years, I think most movie-goers were making stricter decisions about which movie was "worth" the risk of infection to go see. People who normally would have seen both Shang-Chi and The Suicide Squad chose to see only Shang-Chi - or whatever tandem/overlapping releases you want to compare box-office on.