NEWS; Gunning down the Snyderverse UPDATE Cavill gets the Kryptonite handshake!
Gradine
The Elephant in the Room (she/her)
Tonguez
A suffusion of yellow
wow had never even heard of that before
lol 15 minutes in and Diana Themyscira tells her marketing team quote: “I never signed off on merchandising my t!ts!”
Gradine
The Elephant in the Room (she/her)
It's not even a TV movie, it's a completely unaired pilot for a TV show that never got picked up. Apparently someone ended up leaking it to YouTube. NBC instead opted to give the spot in its lineup to... <checks notes> The Playboy Club. A show that aired all of three episodes. So... we're already at the bottom of the barrel here
GreyLord
Legend
I just discovered that the pilot and WW 84 have a common factor between them (besides being considered not that great by many).
Pedro Pascal is in both of them.
Hmmm...makes you think...
(Note to self, if ever I am making a WW film [which I have no inclination nor desire to do, and not even the connections], remember never to hire PP for any role).
GreyLord
Legend
I hope that Gunn has a really good plan.
Right now shock waves seem to be going through a LOT of industries with his current news. Not that it's unexpected, but the reaction I'm seeing just about everywhere says he has a REALLY REALLY bad PR problem right now (even bad PR is not unexpected and I even said it previously in this thread, but PR THIS bad is what is surprising me, and a reaction THIS massive against it is actually extremely surprising to me).
(It was sort of looking like he wasn't going to have Cavill as Superman, but the aftershocks of it becoming official that I'm seeing is what I'd call a drastic failure of PR). Take the PR failure of 4e's announcement, or even worse, the PR failure of the Xbox One's initial announcement and the Sony announcement right after and the reactions that came from that...and even THOSE don't seem to equal the fallout I'm hearing right now from this announcement.
I'm don't even own stock in DC, but if I was on their board I'd probably tell them they have to reverse that decision immediately OR jettison Gunn...post haste. The PR seems to be THAT bad from what I'm hearing from the general (not even specific fan reddits, forums, and commentary on the news, just the general commentary) audiences.
He better be able to make rabbits magically appear out of his hat type of plan because PR like this before you even have the product out can literally sink your sales (Xbox one for comparison, sure, it sold decently, but it never really recovered from that original announcement to be a competitor for the PS4). [edit: to Gunn's credit he DID take a little known comic that wasn't massively well known and turn it into a successful and well loved film franchise...talking about GotG here folks...so it IS possible he has a plan that MIGHT work, but he didn't have a BAD PR thing at that time, more like a no one knows what it is type PR problem].
I said it before, but after seeing the waves online today, I'd say they have a SERIOUSLY BAD PR problem. I'd say they really have to get ontop of it pretty soon or it will stand a chance of sinking any hope of success for their Gunn plan before it has even gotten off the ground!
Then again, I'm not a stock holder in Discover/WB/HBO or any of their holdings. Actually, kind of glad I'm not at this point, though in 2-4 years if they survive they may be a good one to look at buying at that point. They may know what they are doing, but it sure seems like they are just wandering the ocean without a compass or any sort of navigation at this point to me.
Right now shock waves seem to be going through a LOT of industries with his current news. Not that it's unexpected, but the reaction I'm seeing just about everywhere says he has a REALLY REALLY bad PR problem right now (even bad PR is not unexpected and I even said it previously in this thread, but PR THIS bad is what is surprising me, and a reaction THIS massive against it is actually extremely surprising to me).
(It was sort of looking like he wasn't going to have Cavill as Superman, but the aftershocks of it becoming official that I'm seeing is what I'd call a drastic failure of PR). Take the PR failure of 4e's announcement, or even worse, the PR failure of the Xbox One's initial announcement and the Sony announcement right after and the reactions that came from that...and even THOSE don't seem to equal the fallout I'm hearing right now from this announcement.
I'm don't even own stock in DC, but if I was on their board I'd probably tell them they have to reverse that decision immediately OR jettison Gunn...post haste. The PR seems to be THAT bad from what I'm hearing from the general (not even specific fan reddits, forums, and commentary on the news, just the general commentary) audiences.
He better be able to make rabbits magically appear out of his hat type of plan because PR like this before you even have the product out can literally sink your sales (Xbox one for comparison, sure, it sold decently, but it never really recovered from that original announcement to be a competitor for the PS4). [edit: to Gunn's credit he DID take a little known comic that wasn't massively well known and turn it into a successful and well loved film franchise...talking about GotG here folks...so it IS possible he has a plan that MIGHT work, but he didn't have a BAD PR thing at that time, more like a no one knows what it is type PR problem].
I said it before, but after seeing the waves online today, I'd say they have a SERIOUSLY BAD PR problem. I'd say they really have to get ontop of it pretty soon or it will stand a chance of sinking any hope of success for their Gunn plan before it has even gotten off the ground!
Then again, I'm not a stock holder in Discover/WB/HBO or any of their holdings. Actually, kind of glad I'm not at this point, though in 2-4 years if they survive they may be a good one to look at buying at that point. They may know what they are doing, but it sure seems like they are just wandering the ocean without a compass or any sort of navigation at this point to me.
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AnotherGuy
Hero
I'm not happy with the direction Gunn has taken with Supes.
We have Spiderman for the 20-year old stories.
More wastage of Henry Cavill.
The Superman that never was (IMO, because I think the DC movies with him in were terrible - and not because of him).
We have Spiderman for the 20-year old stories.
More wastage of Henry Cavill.
The Superman that never was (IMO, because I think the DC movies with him in were terrible - and not because of him).
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wicked cool
Hero
Clearly the studio is banking on Gunn. They are hoping he’s the Jon favreau for them . If he is then they made the right decision. I would have never thought that favreau could save Star Wars but he has
There’s been a theme for the good (mandalorian, newest Batman, Andor etc). The theme is good directing/good acting/good and if there’s social messaging it’s not in your face. The theme is the opposite for the 2 new Star Wars trilogies/the aquaman movies/Wonder Woman/Jurassic park Pratt movies etc. the directors were terrible/acting bad and special effects bad and story’s are bad
Cavill got screwed and i feel bad for him but he must have seen that the Witcher was borderline a dumpster fire waiting to happen
Audiences are starting to wake up with this economy. Word of mouth/online that top gun maverick was good and worth seeing. Your seeing less and less of this especially post pandemic
Going to be really curious on how avatar 2 fares
There’s been a theme for the good (mandalorian, newest Batman, Andor etc). The theme is good directing/good acting/good and if there’s social messaging it’s not in your face. The theme is the opposite for the 2 new Star Wars trilogies/the aquaman movies/Wonder Woman/Jurassic park Pratt movies etc. the directors were terrible/acting bad and special effects bad and story’s are bad
Cavill got screwed and i feel bad for him but he must have seen that the Witcher was borderline a dumpster fire waiting to happen
Audiences are starting to wake up with this economy. Word of mouth/online that top gun maverick was good and worth seeing. Your seeing less and less of this especially post pandemic
Going to be really curious on how avatar 2 fares
Snarf Zagyg
Notorious Liquefactionist
How do we know what direction Gunn has taken?
As I wrote in this thread...
"In other words, it is a company with a crippling debt burden looking for a way out. Maybe that will be a sale, or maybe that will be a continued pivot to a lesser version of what it once was. But when looking at any decision made by HBOMax (or the parent studio), don't think of it in terms of creative decision-making, or the fans, or even the future of the company ... just remember ... 53 billion in debt needs to be serviced."
While we don't know the full scope of the plans, yet, we can see the following is the likely path:
1. Anything related to the Snyderverse? Gone.
2. Anything related to the Rock's attempt to insert himself? Gone.
3. Anything previously planned, but not yet filmed? Gone (but see 4).
4. Matt Reeve's Batman Detective and Todd Phillips Joker? Still good.
Pretty simple. People want to make this about artistic choices. In the future? Maybe. But it's not. It's about cash.
General rule of Hollywood is that it always costs more for the return than the start. The reason that Marvel wants to replace its actors with new actors isn't because that's what is creatively demanded- it's because it gets really expensive once the initial option contracts run out.
If Black Adam had made a ton of money, it might be different. It didn't.
Reeves and Phillips will survive because they are still reasonably low cost, and both made money.
Everything else? Getting reset to lower costs. Because the star of the franchise isn't Cavill- it's Superman.
This is a good point. Now Cavill did a great job, but he is not irreplacable in the role. We have had a line of actors play superman, and there are several actors that can play him still.
I also think part of this is you want to clear the slate, and keeping existing actors leads to confusion. It would be weird to have a non-synderverse Superman....but have your synderverse actor in it. People would get confused. When you have a new actor, that's an immediate signal that "this is different".
The one thing I do feel for Cavill on, the rumors about him leaving the witcher are endless, but one of the consistent ones is.... "he left the role to play Superman" If that's the case, pretty heartbreaking. But again that's just a rumor, based on the mill it seems equally likely he didn't like the direction they were going on the show, or he had a falling out with the writers, or XYZ (lots of rumors flying around).
