D&D 5E The Gloves Are Off?

[Ruin Explorer]

Urbanmech <3 <3 <3

Though I must admit Madcat is also a lovely mech.

 

[Celebrim]

Uh-huh, but saying the choice is between "neutral referee" (which is a fairly outmoded/outdated approach to DMing, and not one 5E favours) and being "a mere validator of the player's fantasies" is absolutely ludicrous and hilarious false dichotomy.

Well, we seem to have some disagreement on how important being a neutral referee is. Are you also thinking "secret keeper" is an outmoded and outdated approach to DMing?

And I'd be curious to see 5e quotes regarding its stand on the DM as arbiter and referee of the rules to see if it truly as outmoded as you claim.

If you think "validator of the player's fantasies" is a ludicrous descriptor, I'd love to what newfangled and advanced concepts you bring to the table regarding what hats a GM wears. Please, by all means tell me your favored language.

 

[Vaalingrade]

If you think "validator of the player's fantasies"

Just... do you honestly not see that this is insulting hyperbole?

 

[Vaalingrade]

Urbanmech <3 <3 <3

Though I must admit Madcat is also a lovely mech.

Did they ever have a mech called the Dungeon? I know there's a Dragon.

 

[Ruin Explorer]

Are you also thinking "secret keeper" is an outmoded and outdated approach to DMing.

I literally have never heard that term for a DM's role before.

What does it mean?

If you think "validator of the player's fantasies" is a ludicrous descriptor, I'd love to what newfangled and advanced concepts you bring to the table regarding what hats a GM wears. Please, by all means tell me your favored language.

There was an entire good thread about DMing styles like a lot of months or a year or so ago, I'll see if I can dig it up.

 

[Ruin Explorer]

Did they ever have a mech called the Dungeon? I know there's a Dragon.

Not as far as I know, sadly!

 

[Celebrim]

Just... do you honestly not see that this is insulting hyperbole?

No, not really. The "merely" was the possible hyperbole, but then the person I was talking to responded by saying impartial referee was an outmoded concept so that tends to make me think the merely is justified.

The reason I don't think it is insulting hyperbole it is legitimately one of the hats I wear as a GM. It's not the only hat I wear - I'm also the impartial referee, secret keeper, storyteller, and so forth. But it's an actual fact that one thing that I do as a GM and one reason players keep coming back is validate players fantasies with the stamp of approval, "The awesome thing you imagined your self-projection into this fantasy does in fact happen. Your imagined self-projection is awesome and does awesome things. He is indeed a big darn hero."

I mean lets not pretend that isn't a big part of the attraction of playing an RPG. But if that was the only hat I was allowed to wear, and my role as say a referee was deprecated, I probably wouldn't GM or at least I wouldn't GM the sort of games or rules systems that I run.

 

[payn]

Did they ever have a mech called the Dungeon? I know there's a Dragon.

No dice on a mech named dungeon, but there is a gladiator pit on Solaris called the dungeon!

 

[Ruin Explorer]

The reason I don't think it is insulting hyperbole it is legitimately one of the hats I wear as a GM. It's not the only hat I wear - I'm also the impartial referee, secret keeper, storyteller, and so forth. But it's an actual fact that one thing that I do as a GM and one reason players keep coming back is validate players fantasies with the stamp of approval, "The awesome thing you imagined your self-projection into this fantasy does in fact happen. Your imagined self-projection is awesome and does awesome things. He is indeed a big darn hero."

If you see the DM as wearing multiple hats, why on earth did you present a dichotomy in the first place? That's so weird.

 

[Vaalingrade]

No dice on a mech named dungeon, but there is a gladiator pit on Solaris called the dungeon!

So... we could have Dragons fight in the Dungeon!

I know Dragonmech is a thing (have the book), but considering the Apparatus of Kwalish is a thing and there's an old adventure with gnomes building a giant robot, we should have a thread on mechs in D&D.