We got an official leak of One D&D OGL 1.1! Watch Our Discussion And Reactions!

[Ruin Explorer]

I don't, but I know Stuart Marshall of OSRIC got an English law firm ready to represent him vs WoTC if they sued over OSRIC on the OGL, on no win no fee. WoTC backed off swiftly!

Did WotC C&D him or something?

Not bad! Although it's the Eastern District of Texas (E.D. Tex.).

Texas is a big state .... That said, there have been changes that have helped (TC Heartland) but yeah, patent trolls are a problem.

Think we're getting pretty far afield of the topic, though.

We are but sir I think I must say it actually is the Western District (which isn't to say the Eastern District isn't ALSO up to no good, I don't know!) - U.S. court moves to break West Texas judge's hold on patent cases
The WDTX Rocket Docket Being Reviewed for Abuse of Patent Litigation Venue Shopping | Klemchuk LLP#

(Sorry for the extremely lazy use of literally the first things that came up on Google, I feel like I'm sinning whenever I don't use proper legal research tools but I don't have them anymore, since I moved into automation.)

 

[S'mon]

Did WotC C&D him or something?

WoTC contacted him, but never got to a formal C&D after he explained he had legal representation.

 

[Ruin Explorer]

WoTC contacted him, but never got to a formal C&D after he explained he had legal representation.

Interesting. What were they concerned about? Was this very early on, like before a whole bunch of OSR stuff had appeared?

 

[Cadence]

I don't, but I know Stuart Marshall of OSRIC got an English law firm ready to represent him vs WoTC if they sued over OSRIC on the OGL, on no win no fee. WoTC backed off swiftly!

I hadn't seen that before. Thanks for something to distract me even more from getting back into the swing of work this New Year...

Have Hasbro/WotC ever sued or threatened a retro-clone publisher or author? - Page 3

Have Hasbro/WotC ever sued or threatened a retro-clone publisher or author? - Page 3

www.therpgsite.com

 

[Snarf Zagyg]

Did WotC C&D him or something?

We are but sir I think I must say it actually is the Western District (which isn't to say the Eastern District isn't ALSO up to no good, I don't know!) - U.S. court moves to break West Texas judge's hold on patent cases
The WDTX Rocket Docket Being Reviewed for Abuse of Patent Litigation Venue Shopping | Klemchuk LLP

Oh, that's a separate issue. That's Albright. That has to do with judicial assignments, not the forum in general. The E.D. Texas was so bad that it not only led to a sitting Supreme Court justice calling it out as a renegade jurisdiction during oral arguments, but an entire SCOTUS opinion to make it more difficult to forum shop there.

But yeah, the whole deal with Albright is embarrassing. A lot of stuff out of the 5th is ... but that's beyond patents.*

eta or the scope of the thread.

 

[Reynard]

When this happens with a sports* rumor it's generally a sign that the rumor is untrue. Circular origins mean that there is no origin at all.

It's one of the easiest ways to debunk a rumor.

*I've worked in sports journalism for a total of 15 years and have broken stories on things worth more than D&D.

Often at the end of a rumor's cycle you can discover the origin of a leak, and yes there are times when that origin is part of an official process.

Owen K. Stephens' post upthread adds credence to the idea that SOMETHING is happening. He is about as reliable and high profile a voice you are going to see not bound by an NDA.

It's best we pay attention, but maybe pull back on the armchair legal analysis.

 

[S'mon]

Interesting. What were they concerned about? Was this very early on, like before a whole bunch of OSR stuff had appeared?

Yes, 2004/5. No one had thought to make a retro-clone using the OGL before OSRIC and BFRPG.

 

[Snarf Zagyg]

Owen K. Stephens' post upthread adds credence to the idea that SOMETHING is happening. He is about as reliable and high profile a voice you are going to see not bound by an NDA.

It's best we pay attention, but maybe pull back on the armchair legal analysis.

Yep.

It's kinda sorta impossible to analyze the impact of a licensing agreement that no one has seen, and that the example we have is clearly not an actual licensing agreement.

Contracts, licenses- they are all about the details. Any "analysis" of what it all means without the actual document is worthless.

 

[bedir than]

Owen K. Stephens' post upthread adds credence to the idea that SOMETHING is happening. He is about as reliable and high profile a voice you are going to see not bound by an NDA.

It's best we pay attention, but maybe pull back on the armchair legal analysis.

Owen's thread doesn't indicate a new source. His info could all be from the same person that the circular squad is using.

Real, credible journalism on this leak would have indicators of sourcing such that the potential sources could be differentiated.

 

[S'mon]

I hadn't seen that before. Thanks for something to distract me even more from getting back into the swing of work this New Year...

Have Hasbro/WotC ever sued or threatened a retro-clone publisher or author? - Page 3

Have Hasbro/WotC ever sued or threatened a retro-clone publisher or author? - Page 3

www.therpgsite.com

Good search-fu there! I see myself from 2014 just below Marshall. I don't think my opinion has changed since 2014.