Going Nuclear:1D&D

[Irlo]

“Going nuclear” is a common colloquial phrase, known by those who use that phrase as obvious hyperbole. No one — absolutely no one — thinks that the revocation of the OGL is an equivalent injustice to war. People can respond to various things in the world, not just the worst thing.

 

[Malmuria]

It’s really gross that on one browser tab I’m listening to a CNN report about 600 soldiers a day being killed in a battle in a war that never should have started, and in another tab people think activism is organizing a boycott because the previously free thing their games publishing companies needs to function might not stay free for ever.

Again, I agree that a phrase like "going nuclear" is glib and unhelpful, but a consumer boycott is not an unreasonable or uncommon strategy for consumer activism. And reference to a more serious subject matter is not a relevant response to the concerns in this thread.

Definition of WHATABOUTISM

the act or practice of responding to an accusation of wrongdoing by claiming that an offense committed by another is similar or worse; also : the response itself —called also whataboutery… See the full definition

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[Zardnaar]

Oh I should also point out I'm boycotting a certain countries products.

I used to buy a lot of beer from a certain country.

 

[Michael Linke]

Can't do much about a war. I can do stuff about D&D changes. Fans sunk one edition can do it again.

I don't actually believe that fan backlash ended 4e. It certainly had a lot to do with Paizo's rise in popularity, but I don't think 4e would have lasted the years it did if fan backlash were primary concern. I think the end of 4e had more to do with the degree to which the core mechanics of the 4th edition system was prone to issues needing frequent errata.

 

[Michael Linke]

Again, I agree that a phrase like "going nuclear" is glib and unhelpful, but a consumer boycott is not an unreasonable or uncommon strategy for consumer activism. And reference to a more serious subject matter is not a relevant response to the concerns in this thread.

Definition of WHATABOUTISM

the act or practice of responding to an accusation of wrongdoing by claiming that an offense committed by another is similar or worse; also : the response itself —called also whataboutery… See the full definition

www.merriam-webster.com

Whataboutism would be if I said "why boycott Hasbro when what Blizzard did is just as bad?" An accusation that trivial matters are exaggerated in importance, and that passion to right wrongs can be better channeled elsewhere entirely isn't "whataboutism".

 

[Micah Sweet]

I really don't understand how people can talk about "going nuclear" and burning D&D and all of its branding to the ground over this. I'm really sorry you're so invested in the OGL that like... my life's passion needs to fade into obscurity to satisfy your vendetta. Like I should just go back to the pre-2010 status quo of people assuming I'm either an amoral deviant or completely antisocial weirdo for loving a game in order to satisfy your made up definition of justice. Like channel that passion at one of the actual injustices going on in the world today, and stop pretending anything at all Hasbro is capable of will ever warrant such extreme rhetoric in response.

Btw, are there any threads you can direct me to where people are chiming in on which OGL content they've recently panic bought before the possibly impending doomsday?

Your life's passion, I suspect, is not WotC, but rather the game whose IP they currently own. I understand, and feel similarly. But no matter what happens to them, you can still play Dungeons and Dragons.

 

[Velderan]

I really don't understand how people can talk about "going nuclear" and burning D&D and all of its branding to the ground over this. I'm really sorry you're so invested in the OGL that like... my life's passion needs to fade into obscurity to satisfy your vendetta. Like I should just go back to the pre-2010 status quo of people assuming I'm either an amoral deviant or completely antisocial weirdo for loving a game in order to satisfy your made up definition of justice. Like channel that passion at one of the actual injustices going on in the world today, and stop pretending anything at all Hasbro is capable of will ever warrant such extreme rhetoric in response.

Btw, are there any threads you can direct me to where people are chiming in on which OGL content they've recently panic bought before the possibly impending doomsday?

So if it impacts you personally, we should care? But if it jeopardizes the livelihood of many people in the industry we shouldn't care? That's certainly some interesting logic.

 

[Malmuria]

Whataboutism would be if I said "why boycott Hasbro when what Blizzard did is just as bad?" An accusation that trivial matters are exaggerated in importance, and that passion to right wrongs can be better channeled elsewhere entirely isn't "whataboutism".

Telling people they shouldn't be concerned or interested in dnd because there is a war going on in Ukraine is dismissive and irrelevant. I mean, what are we all doing as adults, playing games?! Shouldn't our free time be directed to something more useful, as decided by you? You could easily assume that your interlocutors here are whole people just like you, and are concerned about both world events and their particular hobby, among many other things.

And, unlike controversies around Ravenloft lore or Kender abilities, these discussions about monopolistic practices are much more relevant to broader concerns about the way our political economy and legal systems are structured and whether that benefits consumers or corporations.

 

[Zardnaar]

So if it impacts you personally, we should care? But if it jeopardizes the livelihood of many people in the industry we shouldn't care? That's certainly some interesting logic.

Seem that's kinda how most people operate to some extent or another.

At least they're being honest. I don't agree with their opinion but not gonna get bent out of shape about it.

 

[GMforPowergamers]

No one — absolutely no one — thinks that the revocation of the OGL is an equivalent injustice to war.

I really wish that I had the same faith you do in my fellow players of D&D. based on some reactions so far I am not sure.