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It is time to forgive WOTC and get back onboard.

Parmandur

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I have no idea what you're trying to say here.
That some third parties were facing stress and uncertainty is immaterial to my purchasing decisions, but even if itnwere in the finalnamalysis 3PP got more than theybhad before via Creative Commons. I thinknthisnworled out pretty well for the little guy, with Hasbro loosening their incredibly loose controls on their IP even more.
 

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That some third parties were facing stress and uncertainty is immaterial to my purchasing decisions, but even if itnwere in the finalnamalysis 3PP got more than theybhad before via Creative Commons. I thinknthisnworled out pretty well for the little guy, with Hasbro loosening their incredibly loose controls on their IP even more.
I'm not sure how your purchasing decisions have anything to do with whether WotC caused harm or not, intentionally or otherwise.
 


"Whataboutism," a variation of the tu quoque logical fallacy, doesn't serve well as an argument.

The question is where "whataboutism" starts and calling out hyperboles and terrible analogies end.

Of course one can rage about potential harm that could have happened but turned into something good.
 

Never said that, quite the contrary. Of course he had a few stressful weeks. But we as fans stood behind him, cancelled subscriptions, told in the survey how unpleased we were with the direction. But in the end, 3pp producers took the oportunity and even made money out of it. This is what doing business in general often is about. Steering through unclear waters. Sometimes you can just react to what happens, sometimes you can have some influence.

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I also don't think he overreacted and specificall sold his inventory out at a big discount.
I think you're overestimating how many made money. I realize the term "little guys" is all about perspective and you're right that it's pretty likely EN Publishing, Paizo, and Kobold Press all saw an increase in sales without (to my knowledge) having to hold fire sales to attract customers. There are plenty of smaller publishers that NEEDED to clear inventory for whatever they could because breaking even or even taking a small loss is better than a total loss. There's enough posts on these forums by smaller publishers to give an idea of how small profit margins are on a lot of 3pp.

Good, bad, or indifferent that's harm to those smaller publishers. Whether that matters to you personally or not is completely irrelevant to that portion of the conversation.
 





And that was never my argumentation.
Well, yes, precisely my point: our purchasing decisions are the topic of the thread, and I'm saying that the harm you are pointing out, such as it is, doesn't have anything to do with that for me.
Given these last 2 posts, I'm not entirely sure why either of you chose to respond to my initial post questioning if people saying no harm had been caused considered the fire sale losses to some 3pp since that would be an example of financial harm. Your posts responding to me have been pretty dismissive of that harm actually existing, citing the publishers that benefitted. Again, whether that harm is of concern to you was never called into question by me if you read what I've posted. My entire point has been that harm HAS existed as a result.
 

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