Kyle Brink (D&D Exec Producer) On OGL Controversy & One D&D (Summary)

The YouTube channel 3 Black Halflings spoke to WotC's Kyle Brink (executive producer, D&D) about the recent Open Game License events, amongst other things. It's an hour-plus long interview (which you can watch below) but here are some of the highlights of what Brink said. Note these are my paraphrases, so I encourage you to listen to the actual interview for full context if you have time. OGL...

The YouTube channel 3 Black Halflings spoke to WotC's Kyle Brink (executive producer, D&D) about the recent Open Game License events, amongst other things. It's an hour-plus long interview (which you can watch below) but here are some of the highlights of what Brink said. Note these are my paraphrases, so I encourage you to listen to the actual interview for full context if you have time.

OGL v1.1 Events
  • There was a concern that the OGL allowed Facebook to make a D&D Metaverse without WotC involvement.
  • Re. the OGL decisions, WotC had gotten themselves into a 'terrible place' and are grateful for the feedback that allowed them to see that.
  • The royalties in OGL v1.1 were there as a giant deterrent to mega corporations.
  • Kyle Brink is not familiar with what happened in the private meetings with certain publishers in December, although was aware that meetings were taking place.
  • When the OGL v1.1 document became public, WotC had already abandoned much of it.
  • The response from WotC coinciding with D&D Beyond subscription cancellations was a coincidence as it takes longer than that to modify a legal document.
  • The atmosphere in WotC during the delay before making an announcement after the OGL v1.1 went public was 'bad' -- fear of making it worse if they said anything. The feeling was that they should not talk, just deliver the new version.
  • Brink does not know who wrote the unpopular 'you won but we won too' announcement and saw it the same time we did. He was not happy with it.
  • 'Draft' contracts can have dates and boxes for signatures. Despite the leaked version going to some publishers, it was not final or published.
  • There were dissenting voices within WotC regarding the OGL v1.1, but once the company had agreed how to proceed, everybody did the best they could to deliver.
  • The dissenting voices were not given enough weight to effect change. Brinks' team is now involved in the process and can influence decisions.
  • The SRD release into Creative Commmons is a one-way door; there can be no takeback.
One D&D
  • The intention is that all of the new [One D&D] updates they are doing, "the SRD will be updated to remain compatible with all of that". This might be with updted rules or with bridging language like 'change the word race to species'.
  • Anything built with the current SRD will be 100% compatible with the new rules.
  • Brink does not think there is a plan to, and does not see the value, in creating a new OGL just for One D&D. When/if they put more stuff into the public space, they'd do it through Creative Commons.
  • WotC doesn't think of One D&D as a new edition. He feels it's more like what happened with 3.5. They think 5E is great, but coud be better and play faster and easier with more room for roleplay, so there is stuff they can do to improve it but not replace it.
Inclusivity
  • WotC is leaning on the community to discourage bad actors and hateful content, rather than counting on a legal document.
  • They are working on an adaptable content policy describing what they consider to be hateful content which will apply to WotC's work (no legal structure to apply it to anybody else).
  • They now have external inclusivity reviewers (as of last fall) who look over every word and report back. They are putting old content through the same process before reprints.
  • Previously cultural consultances were used for spot reviews on things they thought might be problematic, but not everything (e.g. Hadozee).
  • The problematic Hadozee content was written by a trusted senior person at WotC, and very few people saw it before publication.
  • 'DnDShorts' video on the internal workings and management culture of WotC is not something Brinks can talk on, but it is not reflective of his team. Each team has its own culture.
  • In the last couple of years the D&D team hiring process has made the team more inclusive.
  • When asked about non white-CIS-men in leadership positions at WotC, Brinks referred to some designers and authors. He said 'guys like me, we're leaving the workforce, to be blunt' and 'I'm not the face of the hobby any more'. It is important that the creators at WotC look like the players. 'Guys like me can't leave soon enough'.
Virtual Tabletops (VTTs)/Digital Gaming
  • Goal is to make more ways to play ('and' not 'instead') including a cool looking 3D space.
  • Digital gaming is not meant to replace books etc., but to be additive.
  • The strategy is to give players a choice, and WotC will go where the player interests lie.

 

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Thourne

Hero
I recognize that I'm not ready to accept WotC's attempt at an apology. Especially when he's digging at people like me for not being the face of the hobby and not looking like what they want their fans to look. "We can't get out soon enough."
Despite me purchasing nearly every book they've released for 5e. Despite me teaching new generations of players. Despite me championing the hobby in schools and libraries. Despite me running 3 games every week.
Honestly, I can get out starting today.
Just to be clear, I haven't forgiven wotc for anything and am not taking any sides here.
That said, he wasn't digging at anyone but instead celebrating a widening of the fan/player base.
He wasn't bashing folks so much as recognizing the world of the hobby has changed.
I completely understand not being thrilled with wotc or trusting them. Be a long while before I do, but you appear to be having reactions to things he did not say or in ways he did not say them.
That is all I'm getting at.
 

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In that case he should put his money where his mouth is.

So you mean he should leave?
If so, you missed the context. He said, he does not want diversity hires but he wants to recruit people from the player base based on their abilities. This takes a bit of time to find out who is actually up to the job. I think this is a healthy approach.
 
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Imaro

Legend
I recognize that I'm not ready to accept WotC's attempt at an apology. Especially when he's digging at people like me for not being the face of the hobby and not looking like what they want their fans to look. "We can't get out soon enough."
Despite me purchasing nearly every book they've released for 5e. Despite me teaching new generations of players. Despite me championing the hobby in schools and libraries. Despite me running 3 games every week.
Honestly, I can get out starting today.
Again... this interpretation is just weird. The face of the hobby isn't you now (though in the 70's, for the most part, it was), to think you are the face of the hobby is some weird privilege type thinking. It's a multitude of ethnicities, cultures, and appearances which was his point. And it's not what they want their fans to look like, it is what their fans now look like and those designing the game should represent that. And yes if it's dominated by Cis white males at this point, some may have to go in order to make room for others.
 

dave2008

Legend
I read the summary but didn't watch the video - which is why I thanked those who summarized it. TL;DR and all that.

I was going by what Morrus wrote in his summary:
OK, I suggest you watch / listen to the video including the discussion after Kyle left. You thoughts may change.
WotC expects us to believe that the response of the D&D Beyond cancellations, the bad press in Forbes and other mainstream media, the explosion on social media, the selling out of their competitors' products, the walking away of Kobold Press/MCDM and other publishers, etc., meant nothing to them?
No, again that is not what Kyle said in the interview. He said the revision of the OGL 1.2 was already in the works before the subscription drops happened. They could not have changed the document that quickly if it was simply a response to outrage and in particular the subscription drops. He said his stepping up to communicate with the community was absolutely a response to the outrage. He also mentioned the lack or response was for fear of making things worse. Which he admitted was not the correct thing to do.

Having worked with small, medium, and large corporations and familiarity with huge ones - that statement rings true to me
WotC wants to think that we're powerless and that what fans think doesn't matter. "It was always our plan" and "we both won."
But I'm not giving them the satisfaction of that from me.
Nothing will satisfy me until WotC is spun off from Hasbro and someone who loves gaming is put in charge of the company.
Again, that is a misreading of what was in the interview. Watch the interview.
 

darjr

I crit!
One takeaway I hope people note is the story told about how this happened in the first place.

And while the SRD is now CC and this specific case can’t happen again the people that advocated it are all still there. And while his group now has a greater say in things like this they got shut down before.

I appreciate Kyle but he’s not even in charge of the group who pushed this through.

While pro community/OGL/CC folks eventually won the day they are still but a faction within WotC.
 
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Vincent55

Adventurer
Inclusivity is unnecessary, as D&D and role-playing, in general, have always been as such there really is no reason to point it out other than to draw attention due to the fact. I have personally played with many different types of people across the spectrum and have friends as well that are the same too. As I have said to them and they have to me it was never an issue until they made it an issue, and we will continue as we always have to play it they way we want and change and including what we like or don't.
 

OldOwlbear

Explorer
Yeah that is not the best response but I suspect it is hyperbole to an extent to make a point. Sometimes it is nice to give the most generous interpretation to words and actions before taking offense. I am a white male in my mid forties and take no offense.
True - you’re right. I think everyone has had a moment where we tilt too much into hyperbole to get a broader view across. I know I have haha
 

Thourne

Hero
One takeaway I hope people note is the story told about how this happened in the first place.

And while the SRD is now CC and this specific case can’t happen again the people that advocated it and the bumbling process that lead to it are all still there.

I appreciate Kyle but he’s not even in charge of the group who pushed this through.

While the good guys eventually won the day they are still but a faction within WotC.
There was one small change that will hopefully guard against future problems in some way.
People are in the room for conversations that were not invited to partake in the past.
That could lead to some improvement.
Time will tell.
 



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