What's the WORST Star Wars movie?

[Haplo781]

Just imagine when they realize that a X- or Y-Wing could do it too.

 

[Stalker0]

Hux's reaction once he realizes what Holdo is planning suggests that this isn't some novel tactic or one in a million fluke but a known quantity.

Thank you, I appreciate the reminder that yes....this is a known quantity tactic that should have been a part of every major space battle, especially against the death star. As you said, not a fluke like they wanted to say in TROS.

I had also forgotten just how many ships were taken out by the maneuver. So not only can you take out a super star destroyer, but any support vessel right behind it.....man what a powerful tactic that every naval armada would use.

 

[CleverNickName]

I voted for the only Star Wars movie that has ever bored me to sleep while watching: Attack of the Clones.

All of the others are varying degrees of good and bad, like any other movie franchise...but Clones was just so dull in parts.

 

[MGibster]

Solo was so forgettable for me and in the end, isn't that even worse?

I'd rather fly under the radar in a crowded room and be forgotten than to be remembered for pooping in the punch bowl.

 

[Haplo781]

Thank you, I appreciate the reminder that yes....this is a known quantity tactic that should have been a part of every major space battle, especially against the death star. As you said, not a fluke like they wanted to say in TROS.

I had also forgotten just how many ships were taken out by the maneuver. So not only can you take out a super star destroyer, but any support vessel right behind it.....man what a powerful tactic that every naval armada would use.

Except that it only worked because Hux ignored it until the last second. And ships are expensive and throwing them at the enemy in suicide runs is a great way to run out of resources very quickly. And oh yeah... It didn't actually destroy the enemy flagship, just cripple it, so they can repair it and meanwhile they land an army on the planet below and nearly destroy what's left of your resistance.

 

[CleverNickName]

It didn't actually destroy the enemy flagship, just cripple it, so they can repair it and meanwhile they land an army on the planet below and nearly destroy what's left of your resistance.

Doesn't "that one where the Empire almost destroys what's left of the Resistance" describe every Star Wars movie ever made, though?

 

[MarkB]

It allowed one ship that was doomed to die and instead allowed it to take out a super star destroyer. When your a rebellion with small ships versus massive ones, that is a pretty damn strong advantage.

And just how often are you going to be in a situation where your largest, most powerful and expensive capital ship is otherwise doomed and can be deemed expendable?

When you're a small resistance group going up against a massive and well-funded galaxy-spanning faction, destroying multiple larger vessels for the price of your single remaining capital ship is still not a transaction that works out in your favour, except in the unique situation where the alternative is the loss of all your remaining forces.

 

[Haplo781]

And just how often are you going to be in a situation where your largest, most powerful and expensive capital ship is otherwise doomed and can be deemed expendable?

When you're a small resistance group going up against a massive and well-funded galaxy-spanning faction, destroying multiple larger vessels for the price of your single remaining capital ship is still not a transaction that works out in your favour, except in the unique situation where the alternative is the loss of all your remaining forces.

"Well we Holdo Maneuvered every single one of our ships... The enemy still has 10,000 Star Destroyers though. Guess that wasn't a great plan."

 

[Stalker0]

"Well we Holdo Maneuvered every single one of our ships... The enemy still has 10,000 Star Destroyers though. Guess that wasn't a great plan."

If your point is that the rebellion could never hope to match the first order fleet in combat…that’s a given. Ultimately the rebellion’s first order of business should always be evade and retreat.

But sometimes that’s not possible and you have to stand your ground. And in those scenarios it’s a hell of a lot more effective to sacrifice one medium class ship with the holdo maneuver to take out a fleet than to fight conventionally.

Take the second Death Star as the perfect example of this. You have a known stationary target. Forget the rebel armada and ground force, one small fleet to offer cover, one medium ship to holdo the Death Star. Everyone else goes home, emperors dead. Even if you want to say the shield was too strong for that, then you do it once the shield goes down, and you still would lose less ships in the process than what the rebels did when they slugged it out with the imperial navy.

 

[Xamnam]

Look, I hate to enter into this sort of discussion, but it's called out in the novelization (released just three months after the film) that the Raddus had experimental deflector shields that specifically allowed for this to happen. Call it handwaving (which is pretty much what all Star Wars tech already is), or a retcon, but there's an acknowledged reason it's not a go-to tactic. It's an answer that resolves it satisfyingly enough for me personally.