Warner Bros wants to make Lord of the Rings films. Not remakes, fyi.

JAMUMU

actually dracula
I like the series.
I liked looking at it and there were scenes and threads here and there I enjoyed, but overall I found it pretty so-so, same-same. Which is cool and all, but I think to capture the casual Tolkien fantasy fan and the more hardcore folk it needs to work harder.
 

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nevin

Hero
Its good, but Amazon had to block commenting and reviews on the series because of the upset fans. We've still never seen actual viewer numbers so I'd guess it didn't do as well as they wanted. If it had been a generic fantasy series I'd wager it would have had higher viewership and almost no negative reviews or upset fans.
 

Zaukrie

New Publisher
Its good, but Amazon had to block commenting and reviews on the series because of the upset fans. We've still never seen actual viewer numbers so I'd guess it didn't do as well as they wanted. If it had been a generic fantasy series I'd wager it would have had higher viewership and almost no negative reviews or upset fans.
100% this. If you just watch it w/o JUDGING IT against whatever "realism" for a fake world, it's quite good (with some great things and some not so great things). If you insist on comparing it to content they don't have the legal rights to use, and you don't like black elves, well, you are going to review bomb it. It's so silly, imo. There is nothing sacred about a fictional world.....nothing.
 



Jer

Legend
Supporter
Yeah I agree, but I also think the general casual fan base are a problem too, because they've seen it before, and this'll just be more of the same. At least with the new D&D movie it's a "fast-paced, irreverant take on the fantasy genre with screwball dialogue and characters you can relate to" which is a break from the tone and tropes set by the LotR and Hobbit movies.
First problem is making "prequels". Casual viewers are not as enamored of the "prequel" idea as fans, but fans also have their own vision in mind of "what came before" and if your prequel radically differs from that you're already off on the wrong foot. This was Amazon's biggest mistake IMO - they didn't have the rights to all of the prequel material that Tolkien had written, so they used what they were allowed to use and wrote new stuff around it. No matter how good it is the fans are going to hate it and the casual folks are just not going to care because it's a prequel.

Make it a sequel, set it a century after the original and tell a new story. Divorce yourself from the idea that your target audience is fans who are deep into the material and instead target mass appeal. You might miss but at least the work has a chance of being judged on its own merits rather than being compared to the prequel material that each individual fan carries in their own heads and that you're never going to be able to live up to.

(This is my attitude towards prequels in general - just stop. The original story probably started at the point it did for a reason. Probably because "what came before" is not interesting enough to tell as its own story. It's generally fine existing as backstory that doesn't need its own movie and is going to be more interesting as vague ideas of what came before instead of something concrete. But it's even worse for LotR because it has the existing twist that Tolkien had already written prequel material that they weren't able to use. )
 

Zaukrie

New Publisher
First problem is making "prequels". Casual viewers are not as enamored of the "prequel" idea as fans, but fans also have their own vision in mind of "what came before" and if your prequel radically differs from that you're already off on the wrong foot. This was Amazon's biggest mistake IMO - they didn't have the rights to all of the prequel material that Tolkien had written, so they used what they were allowed to use and wrote new stuff around it. No matter how good it is the fans are going to hate it and the casual folks are just not going to care because it's a prequel.

Make it a sequel, set it a century after the original and tell a new story. Divorce yourself from the idea that your target audience is fans who are deep into the material and instead target mass appeal. You might miss but at least the work has a chance of being judged on its own merits rather than being compared to the prequel material that each individual fan carries in their own heads and that you're never going to be able to live up to.

(This is my general attitude towards prequels in general - just stop. The original story probably started at the point it did for a reason. Probably because "what came before" is not interesting enough to tell as its own story. It's generally fine existing as backstory that doesn't need its own movie and is going to be more interesting as vague ideas of what came before instead of something concrete. But it's even worse for LotR because it has the existing twist that Tolkien had already written prequel material that they weren't able to use. )
100% in agreement on this. That and nostalgia for nostalgia sake (star wars).
 


Jer

Legend
Supporter
100% in agreement on this. That and nostalgia for nostalgia sake (star wars).
Star Wars is exactly the example I cut for space :) Lucas in 1977 started Star Wars from Episode 4 instead of Episode 1 for a reason. In 1999 we saw why - starting that story in media res with the Empire at full power and the rebels at their lowest point was exciting - it was a tight, coherent story that was easy to jump into and understand as a casual filmgoer. The story about the fall of the Republic was ... less so. Part of that is Lucas's own storytelling abilities not having the chops to write a script centered around the political drama, but mostly it's just that the fall of the Republic is more interesting as backstory that we can all fill in how we want.

And of course the cardinal sin of prequels was made - devaluing a character by filling in their backstory with something that isn't nearly as interesting as the filmmakers think it is.
 

Had a plot think......timelines can be wibbled with

The fall of the North trilogy (c.1975)

1. Splinter of Arnor (Last king etc).
2. Rise of the 5 wizards.
3. Return of Glorfindel. (flash back balrog fight)
 

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