WotC may have sent the Pinkertons to a magic leakers home. Update: WotC confirms it and has a response.

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Did you read the article? it wasn't digital files, it was the actual Cards.....


So, how do you prevent future leaks without knowing how you're currently leaking?

I get you all have an automatic dislike for WotC.

And as i pointed out this has happened before:


and WotC got in touch with the content creator and apologized is offering other product.

The issue is they are going after fans which is the same mistake T$R made in the 90s. No one wants Pinkerton agents showing up at their house, and if that happens and you discover they were sent by a company you buy games from, you and others are going to be upset. This should be alarming to people. If it's normal in the industry, that too should be alarming. Companies shouldn't have this kind of power in a democracy plain and simple. But doubly so for the game industry
 

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And even if he did use super connected connections to get his hands on a pack of cards early... that's still not necessarily illegal or worthy of sending the bloody Pinkertons after a guy.

Okay. So here's the deal.

How many of you have thought about the Pinkertons ... sorry, the Pinkertons ... and can actually say anything about them in the last 100 years without googling them? Really? I know that someone out there does, but I am quite positive that the majority of you who are so dead set on saying BUT THE PINKERTONS have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.

Quick history lesson- the Pinkertons have some cultural footprint for two main reasons. The first is because of movies and shows set in the Old West. For those who are unfamiliar with the specifics, there wasn't a whole lot of government in the Old West, so Pinkerton Agents were the people that were hired, for the most part, to protect corporate interests - protect railroads, shipments, money shipments, etc. They had a well-deserved reputation as being tough-as-nails, and, for the most part, were considered ... if not the good guys, then certainly part of the solution in terms of making that area habitable. While we do a lot of revisionist history and romanticize the outlaws now, for the most part it was the Pinkerton Agents that were allowing regular people to serve some semblance of normal life. This wasn't always a great thing- there's a reason we want the use of force to be publicly accountable, but it wasn't a bad thing for the time.

The other reason we know of them is through the labor wars of the late 19th and early 20th century. Again, this was before we had a lot of professional police forces and before we had federal police (such as the FBI). They served their corporate masters and were indisputably on the wrong side of history. But that was 100 years ago.

What are they now? Part of a larger conglomerate based out of Sweden. Yep. Sweden. Did you know that? And what do they primarily do? Risk management (like this), investigations, and protection for corporate entities.

But the idea that the Pinkertons are some sort of "big bad" is just not accurate. At all. What? Do you know someone who drives a Volkswagen or wears Hugo Boss? How about a company that is involved with Dow Chemical (or, heck, Union Carbide, a wholly owned subsidiary)? Does business with IBM? Drinks Fanta? If you use Bayer aspirin, do you ever think about IG Farben? How do you feel about eating that Chiquita Banana? Do you ever feel weird eating that Nestle candy? If you get a Ford truck, do you ponder the namesake? How about Monsanto- come for the GMOs, stay for the Agent Orange.

I hope the point is clear. If you don't like the Pinkertons (which are just part of a larger conglomerate), then you should do two things- first, remember that they are always hired to do something, so maybe consider the corporate entity that hired them instead of just defaulting to a narrative that is severely outdated. Second, at least try and use something from the last hundred years.

Finally, as for the actual issue.

Private investigators show up at place. Demand return of products that could not possibly have been released. Products are returned. PIs provide contact number.

Company then provides free stuff for the inconvenience.

Person earns clicks.

The end.
 


Okay. So here's the deal.

How many of you have thought about the Pinkertons ... sorry, the Pinkertons ... and can actually say anything about them in the last 100 years without googling them? Really? I know that someone out there does, but I am quite positive that the majority of you who are so dead set on saying BUT THE PINKERTONS have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.

Quick history lesson- the Pinkertons have some cultural footprint for two main reasons. The first is because of movies and shows set in the Old West. For those who are unfamiliar with the specifics, there wasn't a whole lot of government in the Old West, so Pinkerton Agents were the people that were hired, for the most part, to protect corporate interests - protect railroads, shipments, money shipments, etc. They had a well-deserved reputation as being tough-as-nails, and, for the most part, were considered ... if not the good guys, then certainly part of the solution in terms of making that area habitable. While we do a lot of revisionist history and romanticize the outlaws now, for the most part it was the Pinkerton Agents that were allowing regular people to serve some semblance of normal life. This wasn't always a great thing- there's a reason we want the use of force to be publicly accountable, but it wasn't a bad thing for the time.

The other reason we know of them is through the labor wars of the late 19th and early 20th century. Again, this was before we had a lot of professional police forces and before we had federal police (such as the FBI). They served their corporate masters and were indisputably on the wrong side of history. But that was 100 years ago.

What are they now? Part of a larger conglomerate based out of Sweden. Yep. Sweden. Did you know that? And what do they primarily do? Risk management (like this), investigations, and protection for corporate entities.

But the idea that the Pinkertons are some sort of "big bad" is just not accurate. At all. What? Do you know someone who drives a Volkswagen or wears Hugo Boss? How about a company that is involved with Dow Chemical (or, heck, Union Carbide, a wholly owned subsidiary)? Does business with IBM? Drinks Fanta? If you use Bayer aspirin, do you ever think about IG Farben? How do you feel about eating that Chiquita Banana? Do you ever feel weird eating that Nestle candy? If you get a Ford truck, do you ponder the namesake? How about Monsanto- come for the GMOs, stay for the Agent Orange.

I hope the point is clear. If you don't like the Pinkertons (which are just part of a larger conglomerate), then you should do two things- first, remember that they are always hired to do something, so maybe consider the corporate entity that hired them instead of just defaulting to a narrative that is severely outdated. Second, at least try and use something from the last hundred years.

Finally, as for the actual issue.

Private investigators show up at place. Demand return of products that could not possibly have been released. Products are returned. PIs provide contact number.

Company then provides free stuff for the inconvenience.

Person earns clicks.

The end.

Their reputation continues to the current day, including union busting by Amazon
 



Given what consumers voluntarily give, every single day, to google, facebook, and other companies ....

The irony in your statement is off the charts.

There is currently a class action lawsuit over what Facebook has done. People don’t like social media stealing their information either but they did that in a way that was nefarious and deceptive (it took a while before people even realized how much if our information was being taken and used by these companies). I think people seriously underestimate the anger this has caused because it’s a very real violation of privacy
 


Okay. So here's the deal.

How many of you have thought about the Pinkertons ... sorry, the Pinkertons ... and can actually say anything about them in the last 100 years without googling them? Really? I know that someone out there does, but I am quite positive that the majority of you who are so dead set on saying BUT THE PINKERTONS have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.

Quick history lesson- the Pinkertons have some cultural footprint for two main reasons. The first is because of movies and shows set in the Old West. For those who are unfamiliar with the specifics, there wasn't a whole lot of government in the Old West, so Pinkerton Agents were the people that were hired, for the most part, to protect corporate interests - protect railroads, shipments, money shipments, etc. They had a well-deserved reputation as being tough-as-nails, and, for the most part, were considered ... if not the good guys, then certainly part of the solution in terms of making that area habitable. While we do a lot of revisionist history and romanticize the outlaws now, for the most part it was the Pinkerton Agents that were allowing regular people to serve some semblance of normal life. This wasn't always a great thing- there's a reason we want the use of force to be publicly accountable, but it wasn't a bad thing for the time.

The other reason we know of them is through the labor wars of the late 19th and early 20th century. Again, this was before we had a lot of professional police forces and before we had federal police (such as the FBI). They served their corporate masters and were indisputably on the wrong side of history. But that was 100 years ago.

What are they now? Part of a larger conglomerate based out of Sweden. Yep. Sweden. Did you know that? And what do they primarily do? Risk management (like this), investigations, and protection for corporate entities.

But the idea that the Pinkertons are some sort of "big bad" is just not accurate. At all. What? Do you know someone who drives a Volkswagen or wears Hugo Boss? How about a company that is involved with Dow Chemical (or, heck, Union Carbide, a wholly owned subsidiary)? Does business with IBM? Drinks Fanta? If you use Bayer aspirin, do you ever think about IG Farben? How do you feel about eating that Chiquita Banana? Do you ever feel weird eating that Nestle candy? If you get a Ford truck, do you ponder the namesake? How about Monsanto- come for the GMOs, stay for the Agent Orange.

I hope the point is clear. If you don't like the Pinkertons (which are just part of a larger conglomerate), then you should do two things- first, remember that they are always hired to do something, so maybe consider the corporate entity that hired them instead of just defaulting to a narrative that is severely outdated. Second, at least try and use something from the last hundred years.

Finally, as for the actual issue.

Private investigators show up at place. Demand return of products that could not possibly have been released. Products are returned. PIs provide contact number.

Company then provides free stuff for the inconvenience.

Person earns clicks.

The end.
Oh yes, how dare someone complain about society when they live in society and aren't flawless human beings that never need to make compromises. The Pinkertons have a negative reputation for things they continue to do, and if you want to be separated from the past things they did, maybe don't buy their company and keep the branding.

Hasbro sent them after a guy who's entire schtick is being an online presence, they had to have known the bad press that would result from using them.
 

Oh yes, how dare someone complain about society when they live in society and aren't flawless human beings that never need to make compromises. The Pinkertons have a negative reputation for things they continue to do, and if you want to be separated from the past things they did, maybe don't buy their company and keep the branding.

Hasbro sent them after a guy who's entire schtick is being an online presence, they had to have known the bad press that would result from using them.

Spoken like someone doubling down!

Good to know you are quickly making something up.

Wouldn't it be weird if someone who has given multiple different accounts of how he received the cards, and who has an entire schtick of "being an online presence," might be exaggerating or lying for clicks?

A Wizards of the Coast spokesperson confirmed to Polygon and Kotaku that the company sent the private security firm to Oldschoolmtg as “part of their investigation” into the leak. The YouTuber says the contact they spoke to at Wizards of the Coast offered to send them free products as compensation for what had happened. For what it’s worth, his YouTube viewership has also doubled since the original video went up.

It truly is awesome to see everyone rally to the defense of people who knowingly deal in stolen products, because ... you know, that's all ethical, but actually asking for the return of those products is BEYOND THE PALE, even when someone is compensated for it.

Great look.
 

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