D&D (2024) I like the new Warlock

[Charlaquin]

Pretty much.
Since "it doesn't happen at every table".

But feel free to hold on to whatever it is your holding on to.

That it doesn’t happen at every table is something we’ve known about for a long time. I fully expect changes to try and help alleviate the problems some tables are experiencing, and I’m not surprised that changing to daily resources was the first thing they tried. But none of what was said in the video suggests to me that they are not considering short rest recovery on the table any more. I’m sure it will come down to what the feedback shows, as with everything else.

 

[mellored]

I’m sure it will come down to what the feedback shows, as with everything else.

Sure.
But the feedback they have received over the years, is it's not working very well.

But if somehow everyone votes to keep the warlock short rest depend, I am sure they will do that.

 

[Charlaquin]

Sure.
But the feedback they have received over the years, is it's not working very well.

But if somehow everyone votes to keep the warlock short rest depend, I am sure they will do that.

Well, the surveys ask how satisfied people are with what’s in the UA. Voting to keep the old version isn’t really an option, you can only vote either in favor of or against the versions they present for playtesting.

Let’s say, hypothetically, this version doesn’t do well in the survey. Nothing they’ve said communicates to me that they would be unwilling to try something else that does tie in to short rests, and tries to address the issues groups who have few short rests experience with the Warlock in a different way.

Similar to wild shape. They tried the dedicated wild shape stat block thing, it was controversial. The possibility of trying to address the problem some groups have with wild shape in a different way that still uses standard beast stat blocks is still on the table.

 

[Bill Zebub]

Oh, no, I make decisions. It’s just that when managing a lot of resources across an adventuring day, I generally decide to save them. And then they go to waste because the day is over before what feels like the right moment to use them never arrives. This is of course exacerbated by the tendency for other players who are less frugal with their resources to insist that we take a long rest after fewer than 6 encounters.

Off-topic, but I love the spellcasting mechanic in Shadowdark (and Five Torches Deep, and probably others) where you make a spellcasting check every time you cast a spell. If you fail the check you lose it for the day, but until then you can keep casting as long as you want. No Vancian slots.

I see a lot less of this "I'd better save it in case I need it more later" because players think, "Yeah, but I have a better than 50% chance...."

It really changes the game play in an awesome way, imo.

 

[Shardstone]

My point was, and remains, that REST IS INTERUPTED BY A RANDOM ENCOUNTER. Again, don't confuse this with a claim about how difficult the adventure is. It's not the same position. I am not commenting on how hard or easy an adventure is to get through. I am saying the premise that it's easy to take a short rest whenever a Warlock or Monk wants one in WOTC published adventures is not a good premise. That's it. That's what I am talking about.

Next time, try translating your point to another language to see if that improves reception.

 

[Shardstone]

I like much of what I am seeing. Not everything, but much.

One thing that matters a lot to me is eldritch smite. Is that invocation for blade pact cut now?

No, its in Tasha's, which is compatiable with the new PHB.

 

[Shardstone]

You know what words are not in there? “Short rests shouldn’t be used for primary resource refresh.”

This is pretty obtuse for someone as intelligent as you, and I'm not saying this sarcastically. If no class uses short rests as a primary resource refresh anymore, then they are saying that short rests shouldn't be used for that. C'mon man. None of that hyper-pointed semantics silliness, its pretty dang obvious what Crawford is saying here.

 

[Charlaquin]

Off-topic, but I love the spellcasting mechanic in Shadowdark (and Five Torches Deep, and probably others) where you make a spellcasting check every time you cast a spell. If you fail the check you lose it for the day, but until then you can keep casting as long as you want. No Vancian slots.

I see a lot less of this "I'd better save it in case I need it more later" because players think, "Yeah, but I have a better than 50% chance...."

It really changes the game play in an awesome way, imo.

Yeah, I like that approach quite a bit.

 

[Charlaquin]

This is pretty obtuse for someone as intelligent as you, and I'm not saying this sarcastically. If no class uses short rests as a primary resource refresh anymore, then they are saying that short rests shouldn't be used for that.

It is not clear to me from what was said in the video that they are ruling out the possibility of Warlock having a short rest recharge. In this UA they no longer have a daily recharge, and the video explains their reasoning for going in that direction. That’s entirely different from saying that they are no longer considering short rest recharge as an option, if this UA doesn’t meet their satisfaction threshold.

C'mon man. None of that hyper-pointed semantics silliness, its pretty dang obvious what Crawford is saying here.

This isn’t a semantic argument. I do not see the claim @Mistwell said WotC made being made in this video.

 

[Shardstone]

It is not clear to me from what was said in the video that they are ruling out the possibility of Warlock having a short rest recharge. In this UA they no longer have a daily recharge, and the video explains their reasoning for going in that direction. That’s entirely different from saying that they are no longer considering short rest recharge as an option, if this UA doesn’t meet their satisfaction threshold.

This isn’t a semantic argument. I do not see the claim @Mistwell said WotC made being made in this video.

Well man, obviously if this UA gets overwhelmingly negative feedback they want to go ahead and leave open the possibility of backtracking. But they are saying based off feedback used to make the changes, this seems to be what people want. Like, you're arguing something silly here. WotC THINKS that having prime resources refresh on short rest is no bueno. And if, for some reason, their old data is wrong — which they leave open as a valid possibility — they'll revise back to the old way.

And don't get in the weeds about my post somehow being different from Mistwell's original statement nd the video evidence. Getting into the weeds to try an desperately prove something pretty clear as wrong for XYZ reason is a literal waste of time.