Picard Season 3

[Ruin Explorer]

The problem being that a lot of "TV" is now consumed on much smaller screens, and those who do still watch on TV don't necessarily have particularly good setups.

Yeah that's particularly true with sound. It seems like an awful lot of BBC prestige shows, for example, are sound-mixed assuming you have a proper hifi amplifier and speakers, or at least a good-quality sound bar, despite the fact that probably 80% of the people watching them are just using whatever crummy speakers are built in to the TV/laptop/phone.

This is objectively not true. Over the years I've seen an awful lot of fan adulation for this show, on social media. It began the new tv era of Trek. I'm not crazy about the show myself, but it has a lot of fans.

I haven't seen much adulation for the show as a whole, or rather let me correct that - I didn't start seeing any general adulation for the show as a whole until S4, and it's still rather muted.

Prior to S4, all the adulation I saw was directed at specific characters - primarily Tilly, Saru, Stamets/Culber (usually as a couple), the Pike crew, and to some extent Burnham, who I actually think was kind of a better character in S1/2 before Booker arrived to make her tremendously boring. Often you'd get people saying the show wasn't great or was mid but also saying "At least it gave us [character]!". Whilst I think Adira is very flat as a character and borders dangerously on being A Wesley because the writers decided to make them so young (for no good reason, you could tell the same story with 20-somethings), I suspect they'll also have long-term fans because they're representation of the kind Star Trek has always been intended to do.

So long as S5 sticks the landing I'm sure in the longer-term it'll have fans - probably more fans than ENT. I mean, what can we say ENT even gave us?

 

[billd91]

Discovery fans are like the yeti. I've heard about them but no one has ever met one.

You're not going to meet yeti in the UK. You have to look in the right places. Go check out fangirl/boy hangouts welcoming to POC and people who are LGBT+ and you're more likely to find Discovery fans than in white cis/het male dominated areas.

 

[Paul Farquhar]

You're not going to meet yeti in the UK. You have to look in the right places. Go check out fangirl/boy hangouts welcoming to POC and people who are LGBT+ and you're more likely to find Discovery fans than in white cis/het male dominated areas.

You do realise that it is pretty discriminatory to assume that people who do not like Discovery are not LGBT+? Discovery's biggest problem is it's LGBT+ characters are underdeveloped. It's tokenism at its worst.

 

[MarkB]

You do realise that it is pretty discriminatory to assume that people who do not like Discovery are not LGBT+? Discovery's biggest problem is it's LGBT+ characters are underdeveloped. It's tokenism at its worst.

It's got better, but the death of Doctor Culber in season 1 in an extreme case of grabbing the idiot ball did feel like a terrible case of Bury Your Gays.

Nevertheless, his return and subsequent development in further seasons has done much to make up for that early stumble.

 

[billd91]

You do realise that it is pretty discriminatory to assume that people who do not like Discovery are not LGBT+? Discovery's biggest problem is it's LGBT+ characters are underdeveloped. It's tokenism at its worst.

Good think I didn't make that assumption then. That's your reading.

 

[Paul Farquhar]

It's got better, but the death of Doctor Culber in season 1 in an extreme case of grabbing the idiot ball did feel like a terrible case of Bury Your Gays.

Nevertheless, his return and subsequent development in further seasons has done much to make up for that early stumble.

Culber was always one of the more likeable characters, but even before he was killed off he got minimal screen time and character development, where as Michael Boring Hetro Burnham got everything.

And it's not like Burnham didn't have potential to be interesting. A human raised by Vulcans? Are they going to be buttoned up and embarrassed by emotional outbursts? Or are they going to rebel and be an oversharing highly emotional practical joker? No, they are going to be emotionally muted and dull.

 

[Micah Sweet]

Culber was always one of the more likeable characters, but even before he was killed off he got minimal screen time and character development, where as Michael Boring Hetro Burnham got everything.

And it's not like Burnham didn't have potential to be interesting. A human raised by Vulcans? Are they going to be buttoned up and embarrassed by emotional outbursts? Or are they going to rebel and be an oversharing highly emotional practical joker? No, they are going to be emotionally muted and dull.

Almost everyone in Disco was emotionally muted and dull. One of the reasons that people liked Tilly was that she wasn't. But yes, Burnham was particularly boring, which made the ridiculous amount of screen time they gave and continue giving to her even more irritating.

 

[Paul Farquhar]

Almost everyone in Disco was emotionally muted and dull. One of the reasons that people liked Tilly was that she wasn't. But yes, Burnham was particularly boring, which made the ridiculous amount of screen time they gave and continue giving to her even more irritating.

Theory: Tilly was the only real person, shortly before the start of the show the entire universe had been replaced by emotionally stunted robot duplicates.

 

[Snarf Zagyg]

Just throwing this out there.

It is rather odd that the Star Trek show that actually features, inter alia, long-term same sex relationships, trans issues, and explores issues of identity (including gender identity) and sexuality (including asexuality) through characters ... and also featured the first female POC lead ...

The show that led to the burgeoning renaisance of Trek shows that we are now enjoying ....

Is constantly being accused of tokenism (?!?!) and worse. Look, people like what they like. There are things that I love and that I wish were better about Discovery. But when I see the vituperative antipathy directed toward it, I often wonder why it gets singled out.

Ha! I don't really wonder. Anyway ... I'll stand with David Cronenberg.

 

[Micah Sweet]

Just throwing this out there.

It is rather odd that the Star Trek show that actually features, inter alia, long-term same sex relationships, trans issues, and explores issues of identity (including gender identity) and sexuality (including asexuality) through characters ... and also featured the first female POC lead ...

The show that led to the burgeoning renaisance of Trek shows that we are now enjoying ....

Is constantly being accused of tokenism (?!?!) and worse. Look, people like what they like. There are things that I love and that I wish were better about Discovery. But when I see the vituperative antipathy directed toward it, I often wonder why it gets singled out.

Ha! I don't really wonder. Anyway ... I'll stand with David Cronenberg.

What does vituperative mean? And what does David Cronenberg have to do with this?