D&D (2024) Jeremy Crawford: “We are releasing new editions of the books”

[Micah Sweet]

But that's kinda the catch 22. The switches from 2e though 5e has made edition changes major shakeups. This doesn't need a major overall*, it needs edits bigger than mere errata but less than a full redo. And they are stressing this time that the next PHB doesn't invalidate your 5e collection the way 5e invalidates all your 4e books. There is nothing calling this 6e adds except adding yet another excuse for some people to ignore it

*Ymmv on this

Other than my 3pp concerns, I agree (and those are really just my preference for earlier 5e as a base).

Of course, I think the edits they are planning to make warrant their own edition, but again that's just my preference.

 

[Micah Sweet]

emphasis on it replaced PHB rules with new options, sometimes large sections (combat), it did not just add to them. It was not standalone however, so other parts of the PHB were still needed, it did not replace the entire book

But it was expressed as an optional (albeit extensive) splatbook.

 

[Micah Sweet]

So do you want a 6e that reinvents the wheel again and renders the last 10 years of books obsolete or do you want to 5e to remain static while they add more patches to fix issues via different sourcebooks so that the most recent version of the game is scattered among six different books?

I think if WotC believes the game needs updating, they should update the game properly and call it 6e or something. Or they should present new options as options and not replacements. This half-measure, while I understand the motivations behind it, is off-putting to me.

 

[mamba]

my argument is that rug is being pulled even if the word edition isn't being used...
there will be a new warlock, and as such it will be update to the new "not edition" or get left behind the same way a 6e warlock would.

I disagree, the old Warlock is not obsolete the way a 4e warlock is in 5e

New content will be for the new 2024 warlock not the 2014 warlock.

I assume new content is new adventures, etc. They will be available to both because 5e and 1DD are compatible

If you are talking about the 2026 equivalent to Xanathar, then yes, the 2014 Warlock will not get new options, it will have to use what it already has.
I see no issue with that, Warlocks still get new options, no one says you need to put them on the 2014 chassis

the only part of that is that you can use either PHB with the adventures... you can't use both phb and both will not be supported going forward

you can use both PHBs, that is what playing 2014 chars alongside 2024 chars means…

except what happens when new spells come out in the first post 2024 splat?

they work for either. I don’t see any reason why you e.g. could not use the 2024 spells for the 2014 classes, in fact I would. So if that works, new spells are not really an issue either

 

[OldSchoolGamerGirl]

I think if WotC believes the game needs updating, they should update the game properly and call it 6e or something.

I agree and don't care what they call it as long as they label it something to make a break from the 2014 books

 

[OldSchoolGamerGirl]

I see no issue with that, Warlocks still get new options, no one says you need to put them on the 2014 chassis

if you are no longer supporting the old chassis you have made a break point from the book that uses that chassie

 

[doctorbadwolf]

Which neatly sidesteps any actual part of the argument. Oh well. I tried.

It’s not a sidestep, I disagree with the premise.

Speaking of Essentials.

I never realized it was a .5 style upgrade.

The name made me think it was just more extra stuff like a DM screen and an adventure etc.

If they had called it 4.5, I might have bought it.

It was just an expansion. It opened the game up to different ways of designing classes.

how about the complaint I either want a break that fixes or a continuation that allows the old to be used not a continuation that fixes and negates the old...

It is a continuation that allows the old to be used.

 

[Azzy]

I think if WotC believes the game needs updating, they should update the game properly and call it 6e or something.

Yeah, that would be bad for 3PP who labeled their existing books as compatible with 5e.

 

[OldSchoolGamerGirl]

It is a continuation that allows the old to be used.

but not supported, it is a way to break from the old

 

[mamba]

But it was expressed as an optional (albeit extensive) splatbook.

definitely, the whole thing was optional, but if you chose to use it, it did replace parts of the PHB. That was my point for brining it up.

1DD works the same way, but on a wider scope. It is entirely optional, it will replace some pieces (conditions), add others (weapon masteries), and whether it replaces eg the 2014 Warlock or exists alongside it, is up to the table to decide