D&D (2024) New One D&D Playtest Document: 77 Pages, 7 Classes, & More!

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Unearthed Arcana Playtest

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In this new Unearthed Arcana document for the 2024 Core Rulebooks, we explore material designed for the next version of the Player’s Handbook. This playtest document presents updated rules on seven classes: Bard, Cleric, Druid, Monk, Paladin, Ranger, and Rogue. This document also presents multiple subclasses for each of those classes, new Spells, revisions to existing Spells and Spell Lists, and several revised Feats. You will also find an updated rules glossary that supercedes the glossary of any previous playtest document.

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[mamba]

....no. if 69% like something way, but 71% like it the way it was before, the prior way is preferred by more people. That's a 2% downgrade.

No, if I liked the proposal worse than what we have now, I would reject it, not approve of it.

If you offered to pay me $50 every month, I would approve of that, provided you pay me less now. If on the other hand you already paid me $100 a month, I would reject your proposal to cut it to 50. The same is true for a feature, if I like the current feature better, I do not approve of the proposed new feature that is meant to replace it.

If they cannot tell whether a 69% approval means people prefer it over the current version or the opposite of that, then I suggest they ask better questions next time.

 

[Parmandur]

ok, but as you said, it is very likely that close to 69% like it better. So saying that fewer people like the new version than the current one is almost certainly false. That was my point.

@Parmandur claimed that because it only got 69%, the current version which sometime ago got 71% approval is the more popular one, because that is the higher percentage of the two. I think this is almost certainly false.

OK, so, if one option polls at 71%, and the other at 69%...71% is a bigger number. They polled everything in the PHB throughly in the last couple years, after having done so at various points since 2014. They have a baseline for what people think about everything in the game. So a new option has to be better. 69% approval doesn't mean that everyone in thst 69% likes the new version better, and a lower score is, flat out, lower.

 

[doctorbadwolf]

ok, but as you said, it is very likely that close to 69% like it better. So saying that fewer people like the new version than the current one is almost certainly false. That was my point.

@Parmandur claimed that because it only got 69%, the current version which sometime ago got 71% approval is the more popular one, because that is the higher percentage of the two. I think this is almost certainly false.

So much feedback is “this is cool, I guess” that I don’t think it’s really that close. At least not reliably.

A lot of people are rating things as if “keep it the same” isn’t really on the table IMO.

 

[Parmandur]

No, if I liked the proposal worse than what we have now, I would reject it, not approve of it.

That's...not how these surveys are designed, at all. They aren't measuring "do you like this better than another option," they are asking "what is your rating for this on a scale of 1-5." And a worse result, is worse. 69% is less than 71%. Why would they go with a less popular option...?

 

[mamba]

OK, so, if one option polls at 71%, and the other at 69%...71% is a bigger number.

sure, but if 69% now approve of a change, do you think many of those like the current version better and somehow manage to approve the change despite this? If I like the current version better, I do not approve of the change

 

[Hussar]

The game literally changed during 5e.

Really. Literally? How? How different is a 2014 rogue to a 2023 rogue? Even the One rogue isn’t very different.

It can’t change much and retain backwards compatibility. That’s the point of evergreen. Other than having more spells, how has the wizard changed?

How has stealth changed from 2014-2023? Even One stealth rules appear to be ejecting any actual clarification of the rules.

What new tool rules do we have? New skill rules?

Monsters are getting simplified and that’s a good thing. But other than quality of life changes, 2024 isn’t much of a change.

 

[mamba]

That's...not how these surveys are designed, at all. They aren't measuring "do you like this better than another option," they are asking "what is your rating for this on a scale of 1-5." And a worse result, is worse. 69% is less than 71%. Why would they go with a less popular option...?

And if I rate it a 4, do you think I rate that without comparing it to something? I compare it to what we have now, and if I like it better, it gets a good rating, if I like it less, it gets a low rating. This is not an independent result.

 

[Parmandur]

sure, but if 69% now approve of a change, do you think many of those like the current version better and somehow manage to approve the change despite this? If I like the current version better, I do not approve of the change

Yes, I do that all the time. Honestly, I've given good rating stories completely different versions of things in these tests all the time. The question isn't framed as a comparison, it is framed as an absolute rating of the proposal by itself, q-5. I see no basis for assuming that if someone gives a good rating they necessarily prefer it to the original. Hence why they refer to the absolute rating, with a look to qualitative feesback.

 

[Parmandur]

And if I rate it a 4, do you think I rate that without comparing it to something? I compare it to what we have now, and if I like it better, it gets a good rating, if I like it less, it gets a low rating. This is not an independent result.

I don't think most people are looking at the ratings that way. I never have.

 

[doctorbadwolf]

Really. Literally? How? How different is a 2014 rogue to a 2023 rogue? Even the One rogue isn’t very different.

It can’t change much and retain backwards compatibility. That’s the point of evergreen. Other than having more spells, how has the wizard changed?

How has stealth changed from 2014-2023? Even One stealth rules appear to be ejecting any actual clarification of the rules.

What new tool rules do we have? New skill rules?

Monsters are getting simplified and that’s a good thing. But other than quality of life changes, 2024 isn’t much of a change.

I thought that might be it. Are you pretending that incremental change isn’t change, or do you genuinely not get that it is?