Sarah Silverman leads class-action lawsuit against ChatGPT creator

[Gradine]

It is undeniable that current copyright law (in particular in the U.S.) and often erring on the side of the copyright holder in many cases of Fair Use, has had a deleterous/cooling effect on creative expression.

Silicon Valley padding their coffers using algorithms to scrape and steal human artwork is not creative expression. It is ethically and morally, if not legally, indefensible.

 

[KEV777]

If you try to mass-produce a novel like that, and open with, "In a hole in the ground there lived a hobbit." the Tolkien Estate would likely com knocking with a C&D.

If the hobbit was renamed to Halfling it's likely not going to be an issue. AI can do that though. This is simply a prompt engineering problem.

 

[Hussar]

Things like industrial revolutions happen and are inevitable.

Oh sure.

Sorry I didn’t mean that there was anything we could or even should do to stop it.

Just that in the short term it’s gonna hurt a lot of people.

 

[Hussar]

People with the sense to know that craftmanship and quality, and a living wage for those in ones community, are worth more than sending that money to China for a cheap hunk of plastic that is going to end up in a landfill or in the middle of the pacific.

I get what you’re saying but considering you posted this from some sort of computer whose guts were most certainly not crafted by hand, I’m not sure it’s as strong an argument as you think.

How much do you want to pay for a car?

 

[Scribe]

I get what you’re saying but considering you posted this from some sort of computer whose guts were most certainly not crafted by hand, I’m not sure it’s as strong an argument as you think.

How much do you want to pay for a car?

Yet you live in a society.

EDIT: To clarify.

I grew up without a computer. So did everyone in the generation preceding mine. We grew up without forums to waste our time on.

We didnt need them, but yes "we live in society, curious" we have them now.

As referenced earlier, we as a species have said for a long time 'its going to get worse' and for many it has. So this is just one more step. AI is not going to improve lives. Its going to get worse. We already have computers, and the absolute abyss of social media with which we can debate the finer points of life.

Is it an improvement or would we be better off learning some skills at the lake? I'd take the lake, personally.

 

[Ryujin]

It occurs to me that this debate is pretty much summed up by the robot makes a better chair scene in "I, Robot", except that the robot only knows how to make the chair by studying the craftsman who makes the first chair. To me, that means the robot is not making the chair. The original craftsman is.

 

[UngainlyTitan]

It occurs to me that this debate is pretty much summed up by the robot makes a better chair scene in "I, Robot", except that the robot only knows how to make the chair by studying the craftsman who makes the first chair. To me, that means the robot is not making the chair. The original craftsman is.

Economically this is irrelevant unless the craftsman is being paid for the chairs produced by the robot. Assuming, no complications about robot sentience.

 

[Ryujin]

Economically this is irrelevant unless the craftsman is being paid for the chairs produced by the robot. Assuming, no complications about robot sentience.

Which, I think, is sort of the point I'm trying to make. Should the craftsman get a royalty for every chair that the robot later makes? Should he at least be compensated for "training" the robot on how to make chairs? My gut says "yes." I would have posted the video of that scene, but Will Smith's usual language would make it a non-starter.

 

[UngainlyTitan]

Which, I think, is sort of the point I'm trying to make. Should the craftsman get a royalty for every chair that the robot later makes? Should he at least be compensated for "training" the robot on how to make chairs? My gut says "yes." I would have posted the video of that scene, but Will Smith's usual language would make it a non-starter.

I have many thoughts on this, but I think there is going to a hell of a bunfight to get from where we are to where you are thinking of going and I am not at all confident of the outcome.
There are a lot of similarities between this and the Patrician/Plebian conflict after the end of the Punic Wars. The Plebs did not win.

 

[Ryujin]

I have many thoughts on this, but I think there is going to a hell of a bunfight to get from where we are to where you are thinking of going and I am not at all confident of the outcome.
There are a lot of similarities between this and the Patrician/Plebian conflict after the end of the Punic Wars. The Plebs did not win.

I can't really respond to that without venturing into politics, so I'll bow out of that particular discussion.