Sarah Silverman leads class-action lawsuit against ChatGPT creator

[UngainlyTitan]

I can't really respond to that without venturing into politics, so I'll bow out of that particular discussion.

Completely understandable.

 

[MarkB]

It occurs to me that this debate is pretty much summed up by the robot makes a better chair scene in "I, Robot", except that the robot only knows how to make the chair by studying the craftsman who makes the first chair. To me, that means the robot is not making the chair. The original craftsman is.

So, does this count as your example, or is it a copyright infringement of "I Robot"?

 

[Ryujin]

So, does this count as your example, or is it a copyright infringement of "I Robot"?

It's a transformative, non-commercial use of the original work, for educational purposes and, therefore, Fair Use

 

[Hussar]

Yet you live in a society.

EDIT: To clarify.

I grew up without a computer. So did everyone in the generation preceding mine. We grew up without forums to waste our time on.

We didnt need them, but yes "we live in society, curious" we have them now.

As referenced earlier, we as a species have said for a long time 'its going to get worse' and for many it has. So this is just one more step. AI is not going to improve lives. Its going to get worse. We already have computers, and the absolute abyss of social media with which we can debate the finer points of life.

Is it an improvement or would we be better off learning some skills at the lake? I'd take the lake, personally.

I did not grow up without a computer. We had our Atari 400 when I was about 8 years old. With a tape drive. LOL. 16k memory. Good grief, my watch has more computing power now.

Again, when I said things are going to be bad, I didn't mean in a "fall of civilization" way. Just that there will be a lot of upheaval in the next decade or two, similar to what we saw in the 80's with so many people being forced to change jobs.

Overall? Life is FAR better than it was fifty years ago. I mean, in every measurable way. Life expectancy, health, food, you name it, we have it better than our parents and certainly our grandparents did. Heck, I live in a country that hasn't fought a single war in almost three generations now. Worldwide, poverty, hunger, etc. All better than we were fifty years ago. Things are better now than they ever have been.

But, all that being said, that doesn't mean it's better for everyone. Given the choice of going to a modern hospital or going to someone who "learned skills at the lake", I'll take the hospital thanks. You can have your pocket watch. That's groovy. My dollar store watch keeps just as good time and will likely last far longer. Mass produced stuff ends up in landfills, not because it's easily broken, but, because it's so much higher quality that it never breaks. It's just cheaper to throw it away and get a new one.

 

[Scribe]

I did not grow up without a computer. We had our Atari 400 when I was about 8 years old. With a tape drive. LOL. 16k memory. Good grief, my watch has more computing power now.

Again, when I said things are going to be bad, I didn't mean in a "fall of civilization" way. Just that there will be a lot of upheaval in the next decade or two, similar to what we saw in the 80's with so many people being forced to change jobs.

Overall? Life is FAR better than it was fifty years ago. I mean, in every measurable way. Life expectancy, health, food, you name it, we have it better than our parents and certainly our grandparents did. Heck, I live in a country that hasn't fought a single war in almost three generations now. Worldwide, poverty, hunger, etc. All better than we were fifty years ago. Things are better now than they ever have been.

But, all that being said, that doesn't mean it's better for everyone. Given the choice of going to a modern hospital or going to someone who "learned skills at the lake", I'll take the hospital thanks. You can have your pocket watch. That's groovy. My dollar store watch keeps just as good time and will likely last far longer. Mass produced stuff ends up in landfills, not because it's easily broken, but, because it's so much higher quality that it never breaks. It's just cheaper to throw it away and get a new one.

I think the fall of western civilization is well on its way, and accelerating. The comparison wasn't Hospital advancement or going to the lake, it was online social media use, or going to the lake.

Has there been improvement? Sure. Is it across the board steady incline? I don't think so.

I don't think there is a Greater Generation, hanging out on Discord, Reddit, Twitter, or here.

 

[Hussar]

I think the fall of western civilization is well on its way, and accelerating. The comparison wasn't Hospital advancement or going to the lake, it was online social media use, or going to the lake.

Has there been improvement? Sure. Is it across the board steady incline? I don't think so.

I don't think there is a Greater Generation, hanging out on Discord, Reddit, Twitter, or here.

Oh, I very much disagree. The younger generation is better than us. In pretty much every way. More accepting, smarter, more willing to work together and far, far more socially aware than we were.

I am simply astonished by the resilience and strength of younger people. They've been on the short end of pretty much every single stick. Boomers or Gen X like me? We had it on easy mode by comparison. Good grief, I was born in 1972. So, by 1992, in Canada, we'd had... one recession? We were just starting a second one in the early 90's, but that was about it. That was the worst thing we had in my first twenty years.

My daughter, OTOH, was born in 2000. Lessee, 9/11, a country that was at war for most of her life, massive wild fires, three of the worst recessions in history. Oh and on the Japanese side, we watch 20000 people get washed out to sea a few years back and they're still dealing with the aftermath of that.

Greater Generation? Nah.

 

[Scribe]

Oh, I very much disagree.

I'm fine leaving it at that.

 

[doctorbadwolf]

Exactly. Humans are easily fooled because we have evolved to see faces where there aren't any and assign motive and intelligence to inanimate objects.

I don't remember where I saw this, but I thought it was great. It's not the first AI that passes the Turing test we need to worry about, we need to worry about the first AI that intentionally fails the Turing test.

There was a great article about humans anthropomorphizing AI. I can't seem to find the one I'm looking for, but here's a similar article.

AI isn’t close to becoming sentient – the real danger lies in how easily we anthropomorphize it

To what extent will our psychological vulnerabilities shape our interactions with emerging technologies?

bigthink.com

There is a good Adam Connover video up on YouTube as well, on the subject.

Which, I think, is sort of the point I'm trying to make. Should the craftsman get a royalty for every chair that the robot later makes? Should he at least be compensated for "training" the robot on how to make chairs? My gut says "yes." I would have posted the video of that scene, but Will Smith's usual language would make it a non-starter.

I don’t recall, does the robot learn to craft and then iteratively design a new chair, or do they make the craftsman’s chair again?

I think the fall of western civilization is well on its way, and accelerating. The comparison wasn't Hospital advancement or going to the lake, it was online social media use, or going to the lake.

Has there been improvement? Sure. Is it across the board steady incline? I don't think so.

I don't think there is a Greater Generation, hanging out on Discord, Reddit, Twitter, or here.

Generations are a bunk concept for any purpose other than census taking.

The future doesn’t rely on some generation being exceptionally good. Just on most generations not being exceptionally bad.

As a queer person with POC family and friends, who cares about the state of things for people who aren’t in any group in part of, I wouldn’t take any time in history over right now.

Hell, my nephew learned to fish by watching videos and checking thingns out on Reddit, and then talked some friends into going fishing first week of summer vacation, so the dichotomy you keep referencing doesn’t even actually exist.

 

[Hussar]

As a queer person with POC family and friends, who cares about the state of things for people who aren’t in any group in part of, I wouldn’t take any time in history over right now.

Hear hear.

As someone with mixed heritage children, I love the fact that no one is screaming at them for using the wrong toilet. Which, not all that long ago, they would have been.

Is everything peaches and cream? Oh, of course not. But, it is a lot better than it used to be.

 

[Scribe]

Hell, my nephew learned to fish by watching videos and checking thingns out on Reddit, and then talked some friends into going fishing first week of summer vacation, so the dichotomy you keep referencing doesn’t even actually exist.

There's no dichotomy, I see it as a steady and gradual decline over time. I'd include my own generation in that decline, and actually put a lot of the issues I see in the world with my own age group and demographic.

Cool for your nephew though, I hope they enjoyed it.