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[DarkCrisis]

Charm does not prevent the charmed monster from attack the whole party, just the caster. That spell just became near useless.

 

[Ruin Explorer]

Yeah, I've been skipping a lot of messages here. Could we try not to spoil things for the lols of it?

It's particularly bad as the second one is incredibly funny when you start seeing the signs of it. I was like "Is... is... am being hit on by [redacted]? Oh my god...". It's really well-done in a sort of cinematic way, like foreshadowed by some earlier comments.

 

[Paul Farquhar]

Yeah, level 2 is definitely too early to do that section. Wander around a bit and gain some xp. I didn't do the goblin leaders until level 4, and even then the biggest of the three fights took a few tries. Heck, if you're only level 2, have you done the ancient ruins by the nautiloid crash? Have you visited the druid grove and done the quests there and around it?

Level 3 is plenty. They are pretty easy at level 4.

 

[Paul Farquhar]

Charm does not prevent the charmed monster from attack the whole party, just the caster. That spell just became near useless.

1) That's how it works in tabletop.

2) You can use it in dialogue. Still, Friends is generally better, since it doesn't use a slot.

 

[Ondath]

Charm does not prevent the charmed monster from attack the whole party, just the caster. That spell just became near useless.

The condition has always worked that way in 5e, and at least I always run it that way when I'm DMing. The monster is likely to feel conflicted about fighting his friend's friends, but that might help stop the fighting at most, and wouldn't prevent the charmed monster from harming the other members of the party. The former is a bit hard to implent with a computer, so that's where we're at.

 

[MarkB]

Charm does not prevent the charmed monster from attack the whole party, just the caster. That spell just became near useless.

That's how the spell works in 5e. It makes you friendly to the caster, not their allies. Its main use is granting advantage in conversations.

 

[DarkCrisis]

1) That's how it works in tabletop.

2) You can use it in dialogue. Still, Friends is generally better, since it doesn't use a slot.

In TT the caster could ask his new best friend not to attack his other friends which could at least get him to sit out the fight.

 

[DarkCrisis]

That's how the spell works in 5e. It makes you friendly to the caster, not their allies. Its main use is granting advantage in conversations.

The Friends spell does the same thing as a Cantrip

 

[Ondath]

The Friends spell does the same thing as a Cantrip

That's mostly down to Friends not having its usual downside. But yeah, Charm Person is useless in BG3. Having said that, it was never a good spell in combat in 5e. The target made its save with advantage if you were in a fight, and the effect ended if it took damage. The designers were basically screaming "Don't use this spell after combat has started, it will NOT be useful!"

 

[Paul Farquhar]

In TT the caster could ask his new best friend not to attack his other friends which could at least get him to sit out the fight.

That's house rule. There is nothing in the spell description that would cause someone to believe their "new best friend" that the other guys who are attacking them are friendly. More likely, they would assume their "friend" was the victim of magic.

If an enemy casts Charm on a PC do you require the entire party to change sides?