D&D 4E Ben Riggs' "What the Heck Happened with 4th Edition?" seminar at Gen Con 2023

[Micah Sweet]

There's that name again, DM's Guild.

It would be a great product anywhere, in my opinion. It's more likely that WotC would produce it, all official-like, since they're the IP holders. Maybe I'm missing something but producing it on DM's Guild isn't going to automatically make it better, right?

I don't  ever count on WotC to produce something I want.

 

[Zeromaru X]

Not just more important. Fiction didn’t matter.

My 166-pages document made up from lore collected from every 4e book I have (including lore from the one paragraph description of attack powers) says otherwise...

 

[Micah Sweet]

I would say that the stats are the most important part of the Monster Manual. especially for people with a simulationist agenda, as these are the mechanics that enable the players to interact with the fiction in a "tangible" sense.


Sure, but I read fiction and non-fiction for inspirational leisurely pleasure.


This is blatantly false and harmful against 4e to boot. It's pretty clear IMHO that 4e D&D harmonized the fiction of the implied setting to a far greater degree before or sense in D&D. The fiction for the monsters, player abilities, and more were vastly important to the overarching meta-narrative of the World Axis cosmos.

Don't get me wrong, the lore in 4e is pretty good and I have no issue with it taken in isolation. But it really doesn't matter to the game, where the rules trump everything.

 

[darjr]

My 166-pages document made up from lore collected from every 4e book I have (including lore from the one paragraph description of attack powers) says otherwise...

Board games can have lore.

And yea, a lot of 4e lore is really good.

 

[Micah Sweet]

They would, but, man, it is SO HARD to justify the time for how little money the author would get.

Scrub off the serial numbers and release it on Drive-thru then. More money that way.

 

[Zeromaru X]

Wild thread topic migration

Let me know when we get back to the faction war at Wizards HQ.

We are still waiting for the next round of the battle, that will be in 2024...

 

[Micah Sweet]

My 166-pages document made up from lore collected from every 4e book I have (including lore from the one paragraph description of attack powers) says otherwise...

Producing lore, no matter the quality, doesn't make it matter insofar as adjudicating the rules is concerned.

 

[darjr]

I do miss the Astral Sea and the 4e Cosmology and the Nentir vale.

 

[CleverNickName]

I don't  ever count on WotC to produce something I want.

I don't disagree, it's always best to temper one's expectations. But is DM's Guild really that much more reliable by comparison? Most of what I've found there has been...a mixed bag, to put it lightly.

 

[darjr]

I don't disagree, it's always best to temper one's expectations. But is DM's Guild really that much more reliable by comparison? Most of what I've found there has been...a mixed bag, to put it lightly.

There are real gems at DMSGuild.