D&D (2024) Are you going to buy the new 2024 D&D Core Books

[TheSword]

The cost could be more or less significant to different people depending on their income, and how much of it they are willing/able to allot to hobbies and leisure activities. The cost/benefit ratio may be very heavily weighted in favor of benefit for you, and equally weighted in favor of cost to someone else.

Which is why it’s pointless discussing value in terms of what people can afford, because it’s an utterly arbitrary consideration.

Instead value can be based on comparison to other hobbies - take films, war games, fishing, following a sports team, knitting, painting, cooking, travelling, the gym… DND in its simplest form is cheaper than all of those. Advances in tech have made it even cheaper. My £30 purchase on Roll 20 can be viewed simultaneously by all
my players at their leisure. It’s cheaper now than it ever was to play this game in real terms.

We can diss WotC about a lot of things but making the hobby expensive or price gouging isn’t one of them.

 

[tetrasodium]

Which is why it’s pointless discussing value in terms of what people can afford, because it’s an utterly arbitrary consideration.

Instead value can be based on comparison to other hobbies - take films, war games, fishing, following a sports team, knitting, painting, cooking, travelling, the gym… DND in its simplest form is cheaper than all of those. Advances in tech have made it even cheaper. My £30 purchase on Roll 20 can be viewed simultaneously by all
my players at their leisure. It’s cheaper now than it ever was to play this game in real terms.

We can diss WotC about a lot of things but making the hobby expensive or price gouging isn’t one of them.

I may have been the first to bring up price, but it was done to contrast the higher bar of the books to an impulse buy of a 1.59$ donut added to a coffee order when @Charlaquin was getting blasted for her jumping the gun comment. No matter our individual financial situations I think we can all agree that a 1.59$ addon to a coffee order is in a very different realm of maybe this needs some more time & consideration before shelling out for it than 1-3 60$ books

 

[TheSword]

I may have been the first to bring up price, but it was done to contrast the higher bar of the books to an impulse buy of a 1.59$ donut added to a coffee order when @Charlaquin was getting blasted for her jumping the gun comment. No matter our individual financial situations I think we can all agree that a 1.59$ addon to a coffee order is in a very different realm of maybe this needs some more time & consideration before shelling out for it than 1-3 60$ books

Sure thing. Circa 40 times the price.

But you can compare a one off biscuit to a product that can provide ongoing hours of entertainment to multiple people?

I agree it’s not an inconsequential amount but books are incredibly good value for money. What about the inspirational art, new perspectives on the game, and the small (to medium) number of improvements to the base game. Hells id pay $60 just to have banishment give a save every round and to make spiritual weapon concentration.

 

[tetrasodium]

Sure thing. Circa 40 times the price.

But you can compare a one off biscuit to a product that can provide ongoing hours of entertainment to multiple people.

I agree it’s not an inconsequential amount but books are incredibly good value for money. What about the inspirational art, new perspectives on the game, and the small (to medium) number of improvements to the base game. Hells id pay $60 just to have banishment give a save every round and to make spiritual weapon concentration.

Yes I absolutely can make the comparison because it was in regards to deciding to buy already amounting to jumping the gun. the relevant detail in the comparison that the donut in question is ready now while the content in those books is currently likely not even far enough along to be done with editing or layout let alone fully decided upon by the publisher.

Wotc has not demonstrated that the new books are capable of providing me of anything new other than the sort of headaches I described in post 224.

 

[Dire Bare]

I’m excited about the new books too, but aren’t you counting your chickens before they’ve hatched? We don’t know that what we’re seeing now is what the books will actually look like when they’re out.

IMO, no.

I have confidence in WotC's design skills and decisions. I like what I've seen so far. I like buying new books. I haven't met a D&D 5E book yet that has disappointed me to the point of buyers remorse. Not even Spelljammer.

Could my opinion change between now and the book releases? Sure. I don't think it's likely, but it is certainly possible.

 

[Charlaquin]

IMO, no.

I have confidence in WotC's design skills and decisions. I like what I've seen so far. I like buying new books. I haven't met a D&D 5E book yet that has disappointed me to the point of buyers remorse. Not even Spelljammer.

Could my opinion change between now and the book releases? Sure. I don't think it's likely, but it is certainly possible.

Ok. I still think there’s a meaningful difference between confidence and surety, but it sounds like you are, in fact, open to the possibility that future changes could cause you to change your mind, even if you don’t think it’s likely. So, I don’t think we actually disagree, my phrasing just wasn’t to your liking.

 

[beta-ray]

I didn't realize if we said yes, we are obligated to actually follow through.

 

[Ruin Explorer]

I didn't realize if we said yes, we are obligated to actually follow through.

This poll is a binding contract!

 

[mamba]

I didn't realize if we said yes, we are obligated to actually follow through.

WotC is tracking this, you will be contacted

 

[Reynard]

IMO, no.

I have confidence in WotC's design skills and decisions. I like what I've seen so far. I like buying new books. I haven't met a D&D 5E book yet that has disappointed me to the point of buyers remorse. Not even Spelljammer.

Could my opinion change between now and the book releases? Sure. I don't think it's likely, but it is certainly possible.

I don't. They haven't earned it. The game is bigger than it has ever been and the development team is tiny. Two different video game versions are doing more interesting design, and one of those is doing infinitely better writing. When they do present a "new" setting with potential for really interesting design spaces, they just regurgitate half baked mechanics from something vaguely related.

The current WotC development culture is broken. It isn't like the desire to draw in new players requires crappy watered down design. They just seem to like it that way.