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D&D General Joe Manganiello: Compares Early 5E to BG 3 . How Important is Lore?

Ondath

Hero
Cancel culture got out of control tbh.

There's a reason the law has innocent until proven guilty aspect.

Twitter mobs still a problem but no one takes Twitter that seriously any more. Beats me why people ever did.
Sure, mob mentality is a well-understood phenomenon, and social media usually aggravates this issue. But in this particular case (in light of the more recent evidence @Dausuul brought up earlier), it's clear this isn't what happened.

And honestly, I think on aggregate, the amount of damage unjustly inflicted on people due to social media mobs is probably lower than the amount of damage people were able to inflict on others without things like social media allowed people to hold them accountable. I'm not saying it's a preferable way of doing justice (it's not), but I do think it is overstated, and usually for a political agenda. But that's neither here nor there.
 
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Zardnaar

Legend
Sure, mob mentality is a well-understood phenomenon, and social media usually aggravates this issue. But in this particular case (in light of the more recent evidence @Dausuul brought up earlier in this page), it's clear this isn't what happened.

And honestly, I think on aggregate, the amount of damage unjustly inflicted on people due to social media mobs is probably lower than the amount of damage people were able to inflict on others without things like social media allowed people to hold them accountable. I'm not saying it's a preferable way of doing justice (it's not), but I do think it is overstated, and usually for a political agenda. But that's neither here nor there.
I pretty much ignore socual media it's a waste of time, easily hijacked and isn't representative of reality anyway.

Also flow on effects in things like dating, mental health, pressure. Mostly negative all round. Wouldn't be to upset if the whole lot died
 

Remathilis

Legend
On the subject of dwarves and magic and race/class limitations….

That stuff was always “the typical player dwarf” etc. that rule like level limits was easily broken. You simply played a non-typical dwarf

I'm missing your point here. Are you saying that it was okay to have that rule since people ignored it anyway, that the rule was just an example of "player is limited, DM does whatever" or that getting rid of the rule was good since nobody but the most stickler DMs abided by it?
 


Micah Sweet

Level Up & OSR Enthusiast
That's the point. They will not re-release the 70s, 80s, and 90s version of D&D settings.

It's the same statement written out clearer and longer.

And I never claimed to defined timelessness.

What I said and keep saying is that many pieces of art don't stay in the forefront forever unchanged. Only the timeless pieces. And usually because the art extremely beloved, high quality, is tied to a particular person and the original creator is dead.



Oops.

Meant gen Y and Z. Get was I deserve for being too lazy to type millennial.

5e is majority ages 12-45.
Well, I was in that age range when 5e started...
 

Micah Sweet

Level Up & OSR Enthusiast
That's er.. missing the point

The "non-typical dwarf" in the 80s is an "uncommon" dwarf in the 00s and a "typical dwarf" in 2020s.

That's the lore change. That's the difference in narrative.
Meeting a dwarven wizard is no longer considered unusual.

It's like how orcs went from Evil to Mostly Evil to Any Alignment.
I know. Still seems weird to me. Why does every setting keep getting iterated on in this way?
 

Micah Sweet

Level Up & OSR Enthusiast
Sure, mob mentality is a well-understood phenomenon, and social media usually aggravates this issue. But in this particular case (in light of the more recent evidence @Dausuul brought up earlier), it's clear this isn't what happened.

And honestly, I think on aggregate, the amount of damage unjustly inflicted on people due to social media mobs is probably lower than the amount of damage people were able to inflict on others without things like social media allowed people to hold them accountable. I'm not saying it's a preferable way of doing justice (it's not), but I do think it is overstated, and usually for a political agenda. But that's neither here nor there.
To be fair, using social media as an instrument of justice is also for a political agenda, just a different one. You can't get away from it either way.
 


Micah Sweet

Level Up & OSR Enthusiast
Because the D&D designers are older and want to keep older settings they liked relevant.

Gen X and older generations have been the only managers of official D&D.
I'd really rather they made new stuff and didn't do reboots at all. You can do mechanical updates and lore advancements through DMsGuild. There are some amazing setting products on the Guild that don't fiddle with established continuity to anywhere near WotC levels (Ravenloft stuff in particular is pretty great).
 

Charlaquin

Goblin Queen (She/Her/Hers)
The details are hazy, and it certainly could be wrong, but it's not completely unfounded. Mearls took it on himself to investigate the allegations against Zak S* and asked for people to send him statements about their experiences with him. This is not something you should ever do unless you have been trained to do it.

On the specific allegation of doxxing by Mearls, if you search for it in the trash fire formerly known as Twitter, you find links that point to other links that point to other links and never lead to anyone with firsthand knowledge. However, a regular poster on this forum who knows the victim heard the story from her and summarized it thusly:

"The email in question [describing alleged abusive behavior by Zak S] was sent from an email address which she created specifically for the purpose of sending it to Mike Mearls. She did not use that email for anything else or tell anyone else about it, and shortly thereafter she received harassing emails from Zak at that address."

That's still secondhand information, of course, and assuming it's true, it still leaves open a wide variety of possibilities, from carelessness to hacking to deliberate malice. And it does not preclude the possibility that people inside WotC with an axe to grind seized on the whole business as an opportunity to push Mearls out; Mearls was removed from control of D&D and has now been unceremoniously laid off, which certainly seems like sufficient punishment. Nevertheless, this claim has a little more behind it than just the social media echo chamber.
Yeah, the thing is whether you believe Mearls doxxed Hill or not, Mearls still handled the situation entirely inappropriately, and chocking his removal from a public-facing position up to “a Twitter mob” is incredibly disingenuous. The dude behaved unprofessionally, and his bosses moved him to a less visible position. That’s not Twitter’s fault, that’s Mearl’s fault.
 

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