D&D General Joe Manganiello: Compares Early 5E to BG 3 . How Important is Lore?

[Charlaquin]

To be fair, using social media as an instrument of justice is also for a political agenda, just a different one. You can't get away from it either way.

That’s ok, politics is important, so political agendas are not an inherently negative thing. What matters is the details of the agenda. Who does it benefit, and who does it harm?

 

[mamba]

I know. Still seems weird to me. Why does every setting keep getting iterated on in this way?

so they stay current with the current edition

 

[mamba]

really rather they made new stuff and didn't do reboots at all. You can do mechanical updates and lore advancements through DMsGuild.

then stick with the 1e / 2e supplements / lore, or get the DMsG pdfs, and do not buy the WotC books, by now you know what to expect of them, should not be too hard

 

[Scribe]

That’s ok, politics is important, so political agendas are not an inherently negative thing. What matters is the details of the agenda. Who does it benefit, and who does it harm?

Social media? It harms everyone and near everything lol.

 

[Charlaquin]

Ok, I read the article. First off, I’d say the idea Joe thinks lore retcons made 5e less popular is a very radical interpretation of the text. Second, I’d say that what his actual take seems to be (namely, that 5e has gone in a different direction than what the original design team intended) is pretty banal. He drags in a whole bunch of baggage about 4e, Mike Mearls and cancel culture “the Twitter mob” along with that take, all framed through the very flimsy Baldur’s Gate 3 comparison, despite BG3 having next to nothing to do with the axe he actually seems to want to grind.

What a bunch of inane bluster!

 

[Charlaquin]

Social media? It harms everyone and near everything lol.

Huh? Social media isn’t a political agenda…

 

[bedir than]

Joe M, who proudly declared he was going to radically redesign Dragonlance's dragons and other elements, says "redesigning lore is why 5e is fading" or somesuch.

It's not really a statement about Lore. It's a statement that he thinks he and his friends know what's good. and the people he doesn't like don't.

We focusing on Lore because some people have accepted his assertion that changing Lore is bad, despite the fact that he desperately wanted to change Dragonlance's lore

 

[Micah Sweet]

so they stay current with the current edition

But you can do that mechanically without messing with any other aspect of the setting. People do it.

 

[Minigiant]

I'd really rather they made new stuff and didn't do reboots at all. You can do mechanical updates and lore advancements through DMsGuild. There are some amazing setting products on the Guild that don't fiddle with established continuity to anywhere near WotC levels (Ravenloft stuff in particular is pretty great).

Something can be high quality but have a low ceiling for profit.

A lot of old settings would not make BIG money today in their original form.

I agree though. I will D&D designers would make new settings.

I still think a "War of the Pantheons" setting would sell like gangbusters. Team X vs Team Y vs Team Z is $$$$$$$$$.

 

[Micah Sweet]

then stick with the 1e / 2e supplements / lore, or get the DMsG pdfs, and do not buy the WotC books, by now you know what to expect of them, should not be too hard

That's what I do. Learned that painful lesson with VRG. It's been hard to buy anything from WotC after that; really hit me hard.