D&D General (SPOILERS for Vecna: Eve of Ruin) Are My Standards Too High for Adventures?

[Shardstone]

D&D combats at high level take long enough already without charging up for 3 episodes.

Dragonball the manga is much faster paced

 

[Reynard]

We aren't "rubes". We're people whose tastes differ from yours. Just because we don't share what you like in adventures doesn't make our viewpoint any less valid, nor give you allowance to use insulting terms in describing us.

I think you misunderstood my point. I was criticizing the people that think that folks should buy WotC adventures anyway even if they are bad.

 

[billd91]

I'm not sure I understand your concern @TiQuinn Do you think that the majority of D&D players do engage with non-WotC material? If so, what males you think so? Surely if they did, we wouldn't be shocked by $1million kickstarters with less than 10K backers. If a WotC book made $1million, it would probably be considered an abject failure.

It's not that TiQuinn thinks the majority of D&D players do engage with non-WotC material. It's that DarkCrisis's statement about the players without a full frame of reference (which, honestly, is ALL of us since we haven't explored 100% of non-WotC content - just that some frames of references are a bit wider than others) kind of drips with the implication that the smaller frame of reference is a deficiency. And it's always that way around here from more than one poster. And it's all pretty crappy alpha-nerding BS.

 

[Stormonu]

Rod of Seven Parts needs to be treated like the 7 dragon balls.

Or like any of the dozens of stories about a race to collect multiple parts before the bad guy completes their horrible plan.

 

[Shardstone]

Or like any of the dozens of stories about a race to collect multiple parts before the bad guy completes their horrible plan.

Nah. Dragon balls,

 

[GMforPowergamers]

The Rod of Seven Parts, as depicted in the 2E mega-adventure of the same name from 1996:

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that was the first adventure that I felt let down by back in the 90s

 

[Demetrios1453]

I think you misunderstood my point. I was criticizing the people that think that folks should buy WotC adventures anyway even if they are bad.

But what is "bad"? One person's "bad" can be another person's "good" in these cases, since it's all subjective

 

[DarkCrisis]

It's not that TiQuinn thinks the majority of D&D players do engage with non-WotC material. It's that DarkCrisis's statement about the players without a full frame of reference (which, honestly, is ALL of us since we haven't explored 100% of non-WotC content - just that some frames of references are a bit wider than others) kind of drips with the implication that the smaller frame of reference is a deficiency. And it's always that way around here from more than one poster. And it's all pretty crappy alpha-nerding BS.

I mean I’m not trying to gate keep anyone but it’s just a fact that those of us who have played other games for a larger amount of time have more experience and reference than someone who’s only played 5E for the past 5 years.

That has nothing to do with if someone enjoys just 5E. More power to you. I hope that person is having tons of fun.

I just want WotCs official adventures to be of better quality and they absolutely should be. I don’t see how that’s even a debate. Even if you think they are great they can still be better.

 

[GMforPowergamers]

Or like any of the dozens of stories about a race to collect multiple parts before the bad guy completes their horrible plan.

I always ask "Once we have 1 piece and we keep it, doesn't that mean we don't need to race for the others, they will have to come to us?"

 

[Reynard]

But what is "bad"? One person's "bad" can be another person's "good" in these cases, since it's all subjective

I don't think it is entirely subjective. Yes, whether one likes something is subjective, but adventures have a purpose and they can have an objectively bad design if they do not succeed at that purpose. If an adventure is a pain to read and run, if it isn't fun, if it is hard to use at the table, if it is convoluted in plot or has a rigid structure that cannot survive contact with the player characters, it is objectively bad.