Spoilers Star Wars: The Acolyte [Spoilers]

[M.L. Martin]

Most of what I'm seeing comes from leaks/spoilers/rumors about tonight's episode, so if you've been avoiding those, that may change the game.

 

[Maxperson]

Good grief, it will be almost two decades before Star Trek, a progressive show if there ever was one, would get its first female captain.

I just rewatched the old series. I haven't seen it in a very long time. While watching I noticed an entire episode that called out how women couldn't be captains in Star Fleet, and I'm pretty sure Kirk commented on how that was wrong. While they probably could not have gotten a female captain in the show green lit, they did get in a show that called it out.

 

[Ryujin]

I just rewatched the old series. I haven't seen it in a very long time. While watching I noticed an entire episode that called out how women couldn't be captains in Star Fleet, and I'm pretty sure Kirk commented on how that was wrong. While they probably could not have gotten a female captain in the show green lit, they did get in a show that called it out.

People who didn't live through the '60s and '70s really have very little idea just how progressive the original show really was. This was a time when the Southern US was up in arms about having Black kids in "White" schools but Star Trek had a female black officer on the bridge. WWII was still in the minds of many and they had a Japanese helmsman. Second season, on, they had a Russian. Having an alien who threw Jewish blessings with his hands was the least unbelievable thing to suburban American viewers.

 

[RangerWickett]

Star Wars has a weird relationship with capacity for evil and redemption. I mean, Anakin was redeemed even though he murdered a room full of 7 year olds.

All the cells in your body get replaced every 7 years (or so goes the myth). So he's not the same man who killed the younglings?

So far my take is that it needs tighter editing. There's too much time wasted repeating exposition to new characters, or splitting up conversations into two or three scenes when you could just slam it all into one scene and make each scene more interesting.

 

[Enevhar Aldarion]

So far my take is that it needs tighter editing. There's too much time wasted repeating exposition to new characters, or splitting up conversations into two or three scenes when you could just slam it all into one scene and make each scene more interesting.

Andor has the same problem, though. 12 episodes was way too many for what the show actually accomplished, and they were longer episodes than what most of the other Star Wars shows get. All the actually interesting/good bits might have filled four of those episodes.

 

[RangerWickett]

I don't think I agree with that. For Andor to land right, you need to show the banality of the bureaucratic side of the evil empire, and show how normal it seems to so many people, rather than everything being high stakes and high speed. It grinds down people's will to resist.

But then amid that there are these beautiful moments of freedom. The dude hammering away at his bell-anvil. The town all clanging together to warn each other the imperials are coming. The Eye! One Way Out! And then Luthen and Maarva's speeches? Oh, god damn that was good stuff.

Some stories need time to build up and pay off.

And within each episode, scenes often served multiple purposes. Personal dynamics would shift as every scene had some actual effect on the characters, rather than being filler between action set pieces.

God I loved that show.

 

[Ryujin]

I don't think I agree with that. For Andor to land right, you need to show the banality of the bureaucratic side of the evil empire, and show how normal it seems to so many people, rather than everything being high stakes and high speed. It grinds down people's will to resist.

But then amid that there are these beautiful moments of freedom. The dude hammering away at his bell-anvil. The town all clanging together to warn each other the imperials are coming. The Eye! One Way Out! And then Luthen and Maarva's speeches? Oh, god damn that was good stuff.

Some stories need time to build up and pay off.

And within each episode, scenes often served multiple purposes. Personal dynamics would shift as every scene had some actual effect on the characters, rather than being filler between action set pieces.

God I loved that show.

There's definitely something to be said for a slow burn.

 

[MarkB]

I don't think I agree with that. For Andor to land right, you need to show the banality of the bureaucratic side of the evil empire, and show how normal it seems to so many people, rather than everything being high stakes and high speed. It grinds down people's will to resist.

But then amid that there are these beautiful moments of freedom. The dude hammering away at his bell-anvil. The town all clanging together to warn each other the imperials are coming. The Eye! One Way Out! And then Luthen and Maarva's speeches? Oh, god damn that was good stuff.

Some stories need time to build up and pay off.

And within each episode, scenes often served multiple purposes. Personal dynamics would shift as every scene had some actual effect on the characters, rather than being filler between action set pieces.

God I loved that show.

Yeah, very much that. The first few episodes were a slow start, but after that, each story arc was a well-done building of tension, with great dramatic and emotional pay-offs as they concluded.

 

[Belen]

I disagree. It absolutely is our job. We should call it out when it's there. We should make it 100% clear that the fandom doesn't want toxic behavior and those that engage in it aren't actually part of the fandom.

Calling out continuous poor writing in the live action SW stuff is not “toxic.” I did not focus any one one person.

Calling legit criticism toxic is just used to label and dismiss opinions people do not like. It is a tactic used to seize some moral high ground.

The writing is just poor. There were 2 of 8 decent episodes in Ahsoka. 2ish in Book. Mando maybe a 3-4 per season. He needed regular companions who could talk.

Obi was the same with a couple of good episodes.

Yet any time some criticizes it, you have people rush to use the toxic label which is exactly what happened here.

Of course, then you get the “why watch.” Or too bad you’re not 4 any more as if that is not “toxic.”

 

[Belen]

There's definitely something to be said for a slow burn.

It is so overused now and often designed to stretch out limited content.

It is like Heroes. They take a whole season to get together to just reset the next season.

For a slow burn, there better be payoff or you turn off your audience.