D&D Historian Benn Riggs On Gary Gygax & Sexism

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The recent book The Making of Original Dungeons & Dragons 1970-1977 talks about the early years of D&D. In the book, authors Jon Peterson and Jason Tondro talk about the way the game, and its writers, approached certain issues. Not surprisingly, this revelation received aggressive "pushback" on social media because, well, that sort of thing does--in fact, one designer who worked with Gygax at the time labelled it "slanderous".

D&D historian Ben Riggs--author of Slaying the Dragon--delved into the facts. Note that the below was posted on Twitter, in that format, not as an article.

D&D Co-Creator Gary Gygax was Sexist. Talking About it is Key to Preserving his Legacy.

The internet has been rending its clothes and gnashing its teeth over the introduction to an instant classic of TTRPG history, The Making of Original D&D 1970-1977. Published by Wizards of the Coast, it details the earliest days of D&D’s creation using amazing primary source materials.

Why then has the response been outrage from various corners of the internet? Well authors Jon Peterson and Jason Tondro mention that early D&D made light of slavery, disparaged women, and gave Hindu deities hit points. They also repeated Wizard’s disclaimer for legacy content which states:"These depictions were wrong then and are wrong today. This content is presented as it was originally created, because to do otherwise would be the same as claiming these prejudices never existed."

In response to this, an army of grognards swarmed social media to bite their shields and bellow. Early D&D author Rob Kuntz described Peterson and Tondro’s work as “slanderous.” On his Castle Oldskull blog, Kent David Kelly called it “disparagement.” These critics are accusing Peterson and Tondro of dishonesty. Lying, not to put too fine a point on it.So, are they lying? Are they making stuff up about Gary Gygax and early D&D?

Well, let's look at a specific example of what Peterson and Tondro describe as “misogyny “ from 1975's Greyhawk. Greyhawk was the first supplement ever produced for D&D. Written by Gary Gygax and Rob Kuntz, the same Rob Kuntz who claimed slander above, it was a crucial text in the history of the game. For example, it debuted the thief character class. It also gave the game new dragons, among them the King of Lawful Dragons and the Queen of Chaotic Dragons. The male dragon is good, and female dragon is evil. (See Appendix 1 below for more.)

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It is a repetition of the old trope that male power is inherently good, and female power is inherently evil. (Consider the connotations of the words witch and wizard, with witches being evil by definition, for another example.)

Now so-called defenders of Gygax and Kuntz will say that my reading of the above text makes me a fool who wouldn’t know dragon’s breath from a virtue signal. I am ruining D&D with my woke wokeness. Gygax and Kuntz were just building a fun game, and decades later, Peterson and Tondro come along to crap on their work by screeching about misogyny.

(I would also point out that as we are all white men of a certain age talking about misogyny, the worst we can expect is to be flamed online. Women often doing the same thing get rape or death threats.)

Critics of their work would say that Peterson and Tondro are reading politics into D&D. Except that when we return to the Greyhawk text, we see that it was actually Gygax and Kuntz who put “politics” into D&D.

The text itself comments on the fact that the lawful dragon is male, and the chaotic one is female. Gygax and Kuntz wrote: “Women’s lib may make whatever they wish from the foregoing.”


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The intent is clear. The female is a realm of chaos and evil, so of course they made their chaotic evil dragon a queen.

Yes, Gygax and Kuntz are making a game, but it is a game whose co-creator explicitly wrote into the rules that feminine power—perhaps even female equality—is by nature evil. There is little room for any other interpretation.

The so-called defenders of Gygax may now say that he was a man of his time, he didn’t know better, or some such. If only someone had told him women were people too in 1975! Well, Gygax was criticized for this fact of D&D at the time. And he left us his response.

Writing in EUROPA, a European fanzine, Gygax said:“I have been accused of being a nasty old sexist-male-Chauvinist-pig, for the wording in D&D isn’t what it should be. There should be more emphasis on the female role, more non-gendered names, and so forth."

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"I thought perhaps these folks were right and considered adding women in the ‘Raping and Pillaging[’] section, in the ‘Whores and Tavern Wenches’ chapter, the special magical part dealing with ‘Hags and Crones’...and thought perhaps of adding an appendix on ‘Medieval Harems, Slave Girls, and Going Viking’. Damn right I am sexist. It doesn’t matter to me if women get paid as much as men, get jobs traditionally male, and shower in the men’s locker room."

"They can jolly well stay away from wargaming in droves for all I care. I’ve seen many a good wargame and wargamer spoiled thanks to the fair sex. I’ll detail that if anyone wishes.”


So just to summarize here, Gygax wrote misogyny into the D&D rules. When this was raised with him as an issue at the time, his response was to offer to put rules on rape and sex slavery into D&D.

The outrage online directed at Peterson and Tondro is not only entirely misplaced and disproportional, and perhaps even dishonest in certain cases...

Part 2: D&D Co-Creator Gary Gygax was Sexist. Talking About it is Key to Preserving his Legacy....it is also directly harming the legacies of Gygax, Arneson, Kuntz and the entire first generation of genius game designers our online army of outraged grognards purport to defend.

How? Let me show you.The D&D player base is getting more diverse in every measurable way, including age, gender, sexual orientation, and race. To cite a few statistics, 81% of D&D players are Millenials or Gen Z, and 39% are women. This diversity is incredible, and not because the diversity is some blessed goal unto itself. Rather, the increasing diversity of D&D proves the vigor of the TTRPG medium. Like Japanese rap music or Soviet science fiction, the transportation of a medium across cultures, nations, and genders proves that it is an important method for exploring the human condition. And while TTRPGs are a game, they are also clearly an important method for exploring the human condition. The fact the TTRPG fanbase is no longer solely middle-aged Midwestern cis men of middle European descent...

...the fact that non-binary blerds and Indigenous trans women and fat Polish-American geeks like me and people from every bed of the human vegetable garden ...

find meaning in a game created by two white guys from the Midwest is proof that Gygax and Arneson were geniuses who heaved human civilization forward, even if only by a few feet.

So, as a community, how do we deal with the ugly prejudices of our hobby’s co-creator who also baked them into the game we love? We could pretend there is no problem at all, and say that anyone who mentions the problem is a liar. There is no misogyny to see. There is no **** and there is no stink, and anyone who says there is naughty word on your sneakers is lying and is just trying to embarrass you.

I wonder how that will go? Will all these new D&D fans decide that maybe D&D isn’t for them? They know the stink of misogyny, just like they know **** when they smell it. To say it isn’t there is an insult to their intelligence. If they left the hobby over this, it would leave our community smaller, poorer, and suggest that the great work of Gygax, Arneson, Kuntz, and the other early luminaries on D&D was perhaps not so great after all…

We could take the route of Disney and Song of the South. Wizards could remove all the PDFs of early D&D from DriveThruRPG. They could refuse to ever reprint this material again. Hide it. Bury it. Erase it all with copyright law and lawyers. Yet no matter how deeply you bury the past, it always tends to come back up to the surface again. Heck, there are whole podcast series about that. And what will all these new D&D fans think when they realize that a corporation tried to hide its own mistakes from them?

Again, maybe they decide D&D isn’t the game for them. Or maybe when someone tells you there is **** on your shoe, you say thanks, clean it off, and move on.

We honor the old books, but when they tell a reader they are a lesser human being, we should acknowledge that is not the D&D of 2024. Something like...

“Hey reader, we see you in all your wondrous multiplicity of possibility, and if we were publishing this today, it wouldn’t contain messages and themes telling some of you that you are less than others. So we just want to warn you. That stuff’s in there.”

Y’know, something like that legacy content warning they put on all those old PDFs on DriveThruRPG. And when we see something bigoted in old D&D, we talk about it. It lets the new, broad, and deep tribe of D&D know that we do not want bigotry in D&D today. Talking about it welcomes the entire human family into the hobby.To do anything less is to damn D&D to darkness. It hobbles its growth, gates its community, denies the world the joy of the game, and denies its creators their due. D&D’s creators were visionary game designers. They were also people, and people are kinda ****** up. So a necessary step in making D&D the sort of cultural pillar that it deserves to be is to name its bigotries and prejudices when you see them. Failure to do so hurts the game by shrinking our community and therefore shrinking the legacy of its creators.

Appendix 1: Yeah, I know Chaos isn’t the same as Evil in OD&D.

But I would also point out as nerdily as possible that on pg. 9 of Book 1 of OD&D, under “Character Alignment, Including Various Monsters and Creatures,” Evil High Priests are included under the “Chaos” heading, along with the undead. So I would put to you that Gygax did see a relationship between Evil and Chaos at the time.

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Look, folks, we know how a conversation like this goes on the internet. Because, internet. Read the rules you agreed to before replying. The banhammer will be used on those who don't do what they agreed to.
 

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They listened to the fans, dropped the idea, changed course, and then put the entire product into the Creative Commons. (shrug) I'm not sure what else they could have done...build a time machine, I guess?

Bet you WoTC would build a time machine, stop the OGL crisis, then get criticized for not using the Time Machine to do something even more important, like [insert favorite wish fulfillment here] :P
 

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Then you are misunderstanding my post, as I am not becoming oppressive to my own ability to find joy in the game. I find joy in the game. However, that does not mean that I will simply turn a blind-eye to situations where people spread lies and propaganda out of fear of DnD "looking bad".

Yes, you are not being oppressive... and finding joy...

As well as calling out things.

Finding balance between the two: exactly as I said. I'm not fully understanding your point of contention.

Edit: To add the relevant quote from my previous comment.

"Certainly, call out offense and harm where it exists, but try not to become so burdened and blindfolded by agenda that you yourself become oppressive to your own ability to find joy in things."
 
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Bet you WoTC would build a time machine, stop the OGL crisis, then get criticized for not using the Time Machine to do something even more important, like [insert favorite wish fulfillment here] :p
The ethics of Time Machine Prioritization.

But if you have a Time Machine and thus all the time in the world, does it really matter the order one fixes things in ;)
 

Are you saying that the authors could've chosen not to draw attention to sexist elements contained in early D&D, in a book in which written artifacts containing those elements are reproduced in full? I'm not sure there's actually much of a choice there. As a reader, I can say that if I came across something like that "women's lib" comment, I would be deeply troubled had the authors not highlighted it for discussion.

Yeah, that is the part that boggles me.

They weren't judging him in the original text, heck even Riggs response isn't "and therefore Gygax Sucks!". No, in the original text they were simply stating the facts. Some of the early stuff that they were writing about, reproducing, showing as part of the history of this game... was really bad. That isn't defining gygax solely by his sexism, that isn't dragging his name through the made and burning his legacy at the stake. In many ways, it is about the most unbiased thing you can say.

But people are insisting on getting furious about it. Like... we all knew Gygax wasn't a moral paragon, even without that stuff, there are records about his time in Hollywood and what he did there. We've known this stuff. It should have barely been news.
 

Sure, but the contents of disparate parts are not necessarily synonymous with the whole of a particular composition.

Yeah, but that's basically the definition of "nitpicking": you're removing something from the whole to show it's weakness on its own when it was presented and meant to be shown in conjunction with something else. Yes, it would be a little weaker on its own, but it's not on its own nor is it meant to be.

All works are written and edited for target audiences, and that drives decisions that go into that effort. That may also include to what extent the writer incorporates their 'voice' into their writing.

I agree that much presentation of history is fundamentally political, but that doesn't necessarily mean all presentations of history (or any other topic) are political in their intent. But some definitely are.

Ben Rigg's book definitely had a voice. While he clearly disapproved of the lionizing of Gygax, he wisely didn't give it so much weight in the work. What's being called out in this book seems much more significant and, it leads me to wonder why it was necessary.

Whoa whoa whoa... what makes it much more significant? Like, it feels like most people are dancing around what was actually said rather than addressing it. By all accounts, it doesn't seem much more significant than what Riggs did, but rather the backlash is simply towards any sort of recognition that Gary's takes were bad. That seems to come from two places: the people who grew up and idolized Gary as an icon of the industry and developed a parasocial relationship with him and his legacy, and also the people who earnestly buy into what he was pitching regarding women, whether it be gender-limited stats or gender-limited hobbies.

It feels really weird that a lot of people are more focused on Riggs or the box rather than the backlash that sparked Riggs' response.

Okay then what’s the actual problem with tradwife? They advocate for stay-at-home spouses. You have no problem with stay at home spouses. What’s the issue?

"What's the problem with child labor? It's just early vocational training!"

:ROFLMAO:

Seriously, I can't think of a more decontextualized take on the topic than this.

Or are you still pushing the idea that women only really support tradwife because of domestic abuse? And if so don’t you see the issue with that?

No, but you seem to really distort everything @Charlaquin says on the topic which... feels telling, I suppose.
 


At the same time, there is plenty of better evidence to present than that particular example.

While I would agree that an objective reading would still reveal objectionable viewpoints from Gygax, it is simultaneously my opinion that the context of certain statements and certain game elements may have contexts attributed to them that are colored more by the general views of the man than they are by the specific elements being examined.

I can see an argument that the specific example of Tiamat is weak evidence. Sure, that's a fair point. However. a single bad point in a largely true post and backed up by further objectively true things... does not render the author's larger point moot.

If I had to make a guess? Riggs mentioned Tiamat because the History book mentions Tiamat, because they saw that connection and quite possibly in the writings and original records of Gygax they recorded, there might have been worse and more obvious examples of Tiamat's inclusion being sexist in origin. So, the original authors felt the need to call out that famous, high profile example, because they knew it was something that was going to get noticed as they printed Gygax's original notes.

None of which, still, erases the larger points. Nor are they a "judgement" upon Gygax.
 


I can see an argument that the specific example of Tiamat is weak evidence. Sure, that's a fair point. However. a single bad point in a largely true post and backed up by further objectively true things... does not render the author's larger point moot.

If I had to make a guess? Riggs mentioned Tiamat because the History book mentions Tiamat, because they saw that connection and quite possibly in the writings and original records of Gygax they recorded, there might have been worse and more obvious examples of Tiamat's inclusion being sexist in origin. So, the original authors felt the need to call out that famous, high profile example, because they knew it was something that was going to get noticed as they printed Gygax's original notes.

None of which, still, erases the larger points. Nor are they a "judgement" upon Gygax.

I think Riggs starts with the Tiamat one because it works well as a lead-in: it's something that is easy to decontextualize, but becomes clearer as more and more is heaped on. Just making the evil dragon god female and the good dragon god male isn't necessarily anything... but it becomes more and more informed by the stuff around it that it becomes a bit more clear.

Please don’t make light of child labor.

Maybe a comparison to child labor?

Okay, dude making light of abusive power relationships which can trap women! (y)
 


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