D&D Historian Benn Riggs On Gary Gygax & Sexism

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The recent book The Making of Original Dungeons & Dragons 1970-1977 talks about the early years of D&D. In the book, authors Jon Peterson and Jason Tondro talk about the way the game, and its writers, approached certain issues. Not surprisingly, this revelation received aggressive "pushback" on social media because, well, that sort of thing does--in fact, one designer who worked with Gygax at the time labelled it "slanderous".

D&D historian Ben Riggs--author of Slaying the Dragon--delved into the facts. Note that the below was posted on Twitter, in that format, not as an article.

D&D Co-Creator Gary Gygax was Sexist. Talking About it is Key to Preserving his Legacy.

The internet has been rending its clothes and gnashing its teeth over the introduction to an instant classic of TTRPG history, The Making of Original D&D 1970-1977. Published by Wizards of the Coast, it details the earliest days of D&D’s creation using amazing primary source materials.

Why then has the response been outrage from various corners of the internet? Well authors Jon Peterson and Jason Tondro mention that early D&D made light of slavery, disparaged women, and gave Hindu deities hit points. They also repeated Wizard’s disclaimer for legacy content which states:"These depictions were wrong then and are wrong today. This content is presented as it was originally created, because to do otherwise would be the same as claiming these prejudices never existed."

In response to this, an army of grognards swarmed social media to bite their shields and bellow. Early D&D author Rob Kuntz described Peterson and Tondro’s work as “slanderous.” On his Castle Oldskull blog, Kent David Kelly called it “disparagement.” These critics are accusing Peterson and Tondro of dishonesty. Lying, not to put too fine a point on it.So, are they lying? Are they making stuff up about Gary Gygax and early D&D?

Well, let's look at a specific example of what Peterson and Tondro describe as “misogyny “ from 1975's Greyhawk. Greyhawk was the first supplement ever produced for D&D. Written by Gary Gygax and Rob Kuntz, the same Rob Kuntz who claimed slander above, it was a crucial text in the history of the game. For example, it debuted the thief character class. It also gave the game new dragons, among them the King of Lawful Dragons and the Queen of Chaotic Dragons. The male dragon is good, and female dragon is evil. (See Appendix 1 below for more.)

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It is a repetition of the old trope that male power is inherently good, and female power is inherently evil. (Consider the connotations of the words witch and wizard, with witches being evil by definition, for another example.)

Now so-called defenders of Gygax and Kuntz will say that my reading of the above text makes me a fool who wouldn’t know dragon’s breath from a virtue signal. I am ruining D&D with my woke wokeness. Gygax and Kuntz were just building a fun game, and decades later, Peterson and Tondro come along to crap on their work by screeching about misogyny.

(I would also point out that as we are all white men of a certain age talking about misogyny, the worst we can expect is to be flamed online. Women often doing the same thing get rape or death threats.)

Critics of their work would say that Peterson and Tondro are reading politics into D&D. Except that when we return to the Greyhawk text, we see that it was actually Gygax and Kuntz who put “politics” into D&D.

The text itself comments on the fact that the lawful dragon is male, and the chaotic one is female. Gygax and Kuntz wrote: “Women’s lib may make whatever they wish from the foregoing.”


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The intent is clear. The female is a realm of chaos and evil, so of course they made their chaotic evil dragon a queen.

Yes, Gygax and Kuntz are making a game, but it is a game whose co-creator explicitly wrote into the rules that feminine power—perhaps even female equality—is by nature evil. There is little room for any other interpretation.

The so-called defenders of Gygax may now say that he was a man of his time, he didn’t know better, or some such. If only someone had told him women were people too in 1975! Well, Gygax was criticized for this fact of D&D at the time. And he left us his response.

Writing in EUROPA, a European fanzine, Gygax said:“I have been accused of being a nasty old sexist-male-Chauvinist-pig, for the wording in D&D isn’t what it should be. There should be more emphasis on the female role, more non-gendered names, and so forth."

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"I thought perhaps these folks were right and considered adding women in the ‘Raping and Pillaging[’] section, in the ‘Whores and Tavern Wenches’ chapter, the special magical part dealing with ‘Hags and Crones’...and thought perhaps of adding an appendix on ‘Medieval Harems, Slave Girls, and Going Viking’. Damn right I am sexist. It doesn’t matter to me if women get paid as much as men, get jobs traditionally male, and shower in the men’s locker room."

"They can jolly well stay away from wargaming in droves for all I care. I’ve seen many a good wargame and wargamer spoiled thanks to the fair sex. I’ll detail that if anyone wishes.”


So just to summarize here, Gygax wrote misogyny into the D&D rules. When this was raised with him as an issue at the time, his response was to offer to put rules on rape and sex slavery into D&D.

The outrage online directed at Peterson and Tondro is not only entirely misplaced and disproportional, and perhaps even dishonest in certain cases...

Part 2: D&D Co-Creator Gary Gygax was Sexist. Talking About it is Key to Preserving his Legacy....it is also directly harming the legacies of Gygax, Arneson, Kuntz and the entire first generation of genius game designers our online army of outraged grognards purport to defend.

How? Let me show you.The D&D player base is getting more diverse in every measurable way, including age, gender, sexual orientation, and race. To cite a few statistics, 81% of D&D players are Millenials or Gen Z, and 39% are women. This diversity is incredible, and not because the diversity is some blessed goal unto itself. Rather, the increasing diversity of D&D proves the vigor of the TTRPG medium. Like Japanese rap music or Soviet science fiction, the transportation of a medium across cultures, nations, and genders proves that it is an important method for exploring the human condition. And while TTRPGs are a game, they are also clearly an important method for exploring the human condition. The fact the TTRPG fanbase is no longer solely middle-aged Midwestern cis men of middle European descent...

...the fact that non-binary blerds and Indigenous trans women and fat Polish-American geeks like me and people from every bed of the human vegetable garden ...

find meaning in a game created by two white guys from the Midwest is proof that Gygax and Arneson were geniuses who heaved human civilization forward, even if only by a few feet.

So, as a community, how do we deal with the ugly prejudices of our hobby’s co-creator who also baked them into the game we love? We could pretend there is no problem at all, and say that anyone who mentions the problem is a liar. There is no misogyny to see. There is no **** and there is no stink, and anyone who says there is naughty word on your sneakers is lying and is just trying to embarrass you.

I wonder how that will go? Will all these new D&D fans decide that maybe D&D isn’t for them? They know the stink of misogyny, just like they know **** when they smell it. To say it isn’t there is an insult to their intelligence. If they left the hobby over this, it would leave our community smaller, poorer, and suggest that the great work of Gygax, Arneson, Kuntz, and the other early luminaries on D&D was perhaps not so great after all…

We could take the route of Disney and Song of the South. Wizards could remove all the PDFs of early D&D from DriveThruRPG. They could refuse to ever reprint this material again. Hide it. Bury it. Erase it all with copyright law and lawyers. Yet no matter how deeply you bury the past, it always tends to come back up to the surface again. Heck, there are whole podcast series about that. And what will all these new D&D fans think when they realize that a corporation tried to hide its own mistakes from them?

Again, maybe they decide D&D isn’t the game for them. Or maybe when someone tells you there is **** on your shoe, you say thanks, clean it off, and move on.

We honor the old books, but when they tell a reader they are a lesser human being, we should acknowledge that is not the D&D of 2024. Something like...

“Hey reader, we see you in all your wondrous multiplicity of possibility, and if we were publishing this today, it wouldn’t contain messages and themes telling some of you that you are less than others. So we just want to warn you. That stuff’s in there.”

Y’know, something like that legacy content warning they put on all those old PDFs on DriveThruRPG. And when we see something bigoted in old D&D, we talk about it. It lets the new, broad, and deep tribe of D&D know that we do not want bigotry in D&D today. Talking about it welcomes the entire human family into the hobby.To do anything less is to damn D&D to darkness. It hobbles its growth, gates its community, denies the world the joy of the game, and denies its creators their due. D&D’s creators were visionary game designers. They were also people, and people are kinda ****** up. So a necessary step in making D&D the sort of cultural pillar that it deserves to be is to name its bigotries and prejudices when you see them. Failure to do so hurts the game by shrinking our community and therefore shrinking the legacy of its creators.

Appendix 1: Yeah, I know Chaos isn’t the same as Evil in OD&D.

But I would also point out as nerdily as possible that on pg. 9 of Book 1 of OD&D, under “Character Alignment, Including Various Monsters and Creatures,” Evil High Priests are included under the “Chaos” heading, along with the undead. So I would put to you that Gygax did see a relationship between Evil and Chaos at the time.

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Why bring this up after the man's been dead for so long? Lot's of reasons I guess but let's start with the obvious. History is a form of entertainment. We human beings love a riveting narrative and that's especially true when it's about something near and dear to our hearts. Go to your local book seller and you'll find an entire section filled with history books aimed at the general population rather than academia and many of them are quite decent. If you want to know something about the history of British sailors and piracy go pick up something by David Cordingly.

Like I said, we love to hear stories about things that are near and dear to our hearts. For most people who post here, D&D (gaming in general) is important them and and many want to know about the origins of D&D and the people who created it. Why are things the way they are today? History helps us figure that out. Why is the Monk in D&D when it doesn't seem to fit in? Where did the Cleric come from? Why was TSR going down the tubes in the early 80s even though they seemed to have a license to print money? I'm kind of curious to know why even if I wasn't so curious in my younger days.

D&D was a social phenomenon in the 70s and 80s and has left a footprint on popular culture. Almost everyone in the United States has heard of D&D, even if the association isn't always positive, and quite a large number of people have played it. D&D has influenced popular culture including video games and the fantasy genre itself. It's worthy of serious study.
 

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We're not claiming that stuff wasn't said

What I'm saying it even with those comments he would still be father if the year material comparatively. I just experienced the drunken rage part of things. I saw and experienced so much worse than Gary's comments 10-20 years after those quotes. Those men and some women were contemporary with him. And they weren't the worst examples.

What the law says and what happens are right different things. You're vastly over stating how unacceptable at time those statements were. Alot worse was said and let slide . My last horror story would date from
2000. I left my home town in 2000.
I get that your situation was particularly awful. And that you experienced particularly awful stuff in your friend group. To the point that what little you've seen coming out of Gygax makes him saintly compared to the complete trash fires that raised you in painful and awful ways.

But. Your experiences are not universal. And you having a really rough time of it doesn't mean that was the average experience people had growing up.

I wasn't born in the 1940s. But my parents were. And they told me the best and the worst stories about their parents and growing up in the 40s and 50s. And where my father's parents were strict to the point of being outright abusive, and my mother's father was a philandering jerk who named my mother after his mistress before he abandoned his family to booze and fornicate 'til he died a death that was to be expected, they had it a lot better than what you describe.

And so did I come the 80s.

I'm sure Gary Gygax looked over at people like your family and thought of himself as superior to them, at least. And by your words he was right.

But that doesn't mean Gary Gygax was a good person, or a saint, or better than average, or even average. It just means your bar is so low that the arch of my parent's feet would be high enough to clear it it without them feeling the bar when they stepped on it.
Common is unremarkable, or possibly average.

A lot of forward looking notions associated with the 70s were coming into their own in certain parts of the USA in the 70s. GG was 36 in 1974, so he wasn't a kid. I was surprised by reading Ben's book that GG was a Jehovah's Witness.
Average requires it to be popular enough for 50% of the population to think it's normal. For it to be unremarkable, people would've had to not remark on it. People remarked on it. He doubled down after it was remarked on.

Gary Gygax lived in WISCONSIN. Not Arkansas. Not Alabama. Not Mississippi. Wisconsin.
 

Because the Wargaming Community in Gary Gygax's time wasn't white and middle class? Or because they didn't take a currently sacred figure, give it HP, and imply you could fight and kill them?

Or is it just "passing judgement" because those two facts side by side make them look bad in a modern context? Also, funny how those are the examples you bring up, when both on the twitter thread and for 70-some pages here the ENTIRE discussion was about sexism. Is the sexism no longer people "passing judgement"?

Framing someone based on their race is passing judgement. Cultural appropriation is modern and controversial, and in application, passing judgement.

A lot of world historical and (then) current beliefs were 'recast' in D&D, including angels, which appeared in The Dragon. That's also reflective of some of those Appendix N works.

I mentioned it in a separate response but, GG comes across as fairly pedestrian in his sexism back in the early 70s.
 

Average requires it to be popular enough for 50% of the population to think it's normal. For it to be unremarkable, people would've had to not remark on it. People remarked on it. He doubled down after it was remarked on.

Gary Gygax lived in WISCONSIN. Not Arkansas. Not Alabama. Not Mississippi. Wisconsin.

Average has multiple meanings in colloquial English, not just the one you decide fits your narrative.

Yes, he lived in Wisconsin. Not San Francisco. Not New York.
 

I'm struggling to understand how saying sexism was prevalent in the 1970's can be viewed as an excuse for Gygax's sexism. Maybe it's something extremely simple like - any attempt to provide context that doesn't paint Gygax in the worst possible light is being viewed as excusing him? Or better yet, maybe instead of me guessing, you can just elaborate?
I guess for me I'm struggling to see the point of giving context here if not trying to excuse him? What does bit matter what the context is if the main point is purely that Gary was sexist, which some people are trying to deny? Does it matter what society was like at that point? I just don't see the relevancy of bringing up context except to offer up some justification for why Gary was sexist.
 

I don’t know what you’re arguing for anymore.
Sigh, well, clearly I'm making a muddle of this whole discussion, and I'm regretting wading into it.

Does tempering one’s speech because you sense a backlash really enough if the accusation is sexism and misogyny? Is it not equally fair to say that privately he may have still harbored the same feelings and these come out in wrong-headed statements about biological determinism?
I think ... and this may be overly pessimistic ... that there are people today who privately hold opinions pretty close to (or even beyond) GG's, but they know they can't get away with saying so in public, so they temper their speech. Thus, a blunt statement like "Women ruin wargames" (or action movies or what have you) is so shocking that hearing it is a sign that the speaker secretly holds even more sexist views that are going unsaid. So we react to the statement going beyond the face value, based on reading into those blanks. Like, "If this is the edited version, how extreme must the unedited version be?" But when there isn't the social pressure to edit, the face value may be all there is. Doesn't mean the face value isn't still pretty reprehensible.

Does that help at all?

You’ve brought up that he wouldn’t have received social consequences. And yet, the article states that he did receive blowback - enough that he decided to lash out in the Europa interview. What do you consider to be enough social consequences?
Something that harmed his business or social life in a significant way. I'm not aware that anything like that happened to Gygax after the Europa interview, but I admit I'm not an expert. Still, can you imagine what would happen to a game designer who said something like that in an interview today?

that they sound more extreme today is a given
Good, we agree about that.

but you do exactly that
It sounds like we're working with different definitions of "borderline." I mean that for the 1970s, it was on the edges of what a person could get away with--but he could still get away with it. Thus, it wasn't (under my definition) an outlier, rare, or extreme because it was still within the bounds of what you could say without severe negative consequences.

much of what you write very much does sound like excusing it to me, and given the replies you are getting I’d say to others as well
Well, maybe if I get a good night's sleep I can write more clearly tomorrow.
 
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Average has multiple meanings in colloquial English, not just the one you decide fits your narrative.

Yes, he lived in Wisconsin. Not San Francisco. Not New York.
Which is why I also addressed your other qualifier. "Unremarkable".

And Wisconsin may not have been San Francisco or New York but it ratified the Equal Rights Amendment on March 26th, 1972.

New York ratified it May 18th, 1972. California ratified it November 13th, 1972.

Funny that the two examples you picked as more progressive than Wisconsin were the 16th and 22nd to ratify it while Wisconsin was the 15th.

If only you'd gone for Texas or Tennessee ... both of which ratified it earlier. 8th and 9th, respectively. The three I picked never ratified it.
 




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