D&D Historian Benn Riggs On Gary Gygax & Sexism

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The recent book The Making of Original Dungeons & Dragons 1970-1977 talks about the early years of D&D. In the book, authors Jon Peterson and Jason Tondro talk about the way the game, and its writers, approached certain issues. Not surprisingly, this revelation received aggressive "pushback" on social media because, well, that sort of thing does--in fact, one designer who worked with Gygax at the time labelled it "slanderous".

D&D historian Ben Riggs--author of Slaying the Dragon--delved into the facts. Note that the below was posted on Twitter, in that format, not as an article.

D&D Co-Creator Gary Gygax was Sexist. Talking About it is Key to Preserving his Legacy.

The internet has been rending its clothes and gnashing its teeth over the introduction to an instant classic of TTRPG history, The Making of Original D&D 1970-1977. Published by Wizards of the Coast, it details the earliest days of D&D’s creation using amazing primary source materials.

Why then has the response been outrage from various corners of the internet? Well authors Jon Peterson and Jason Tondro mention that early D&D made light of slavery, disparaged women, and gave Hindu deities hit points. They also repeated Wizard’s disclaimer for legacy content which states:"These depictions were wrong then and are wrong today. This content is presented as it was originally created, because to do otherwise would be the same as claiming these prejudices never existed."

In response to this, an army of grognards swarmed social media to bite their shields and bellow. Early D&D author Rob Kuntz described Peterson and Tondro’s work as “slanderous.” On his Castle Oldskull blog, Kent David Kelly called it “disparagement.” These critics are accusing Peterson and Tondro of dishonesty. Lying, not to put too fine a point on it.So, are they lying? Are they making stuff up about Gary Gygax and early D&D?

Well, let's look at a specific example of what Peterson and Tondro describe as “misogyny “ from 1975's Greyhawk. Greyhawk was the first supplement ever produced for D&D. Written by Gary Gygax and Rob Kuntz, the same Rob Kuntz who claimed slander above, it was a crucial text in the history of the game. For example, it debuted the thief character class. It also gave the game new dragons, among them the King of Lawful Dragons and the Queen of Chaotic Dragons. The male dragon is good, and female dragon is evil. (See Appendix 1 below for more.)

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It is a repetition of the old trope that male power is inherently good, and female power is inherently evil. (Consider the connotations of the words witch and wizard, with witches being evil by definition, for another example.)

Now so-called defenders of Gygax and Kuntz will say that my reading of the above text makes me a fool who wouldn’t know dragon’s breath from a virtue signal. I am ruining D&D with my woke wokeness. Gygax and Kuntz were just building a fun game, and decades later, Peterson and Tondro come along to crap on their work by screeching about misogyny.

(I would also point out that as we are all white men of a certain age talking about misogyny, the worst we can expect is to be flamed online. Women often doing the same thing get rape or death threats.)

Critics of their work would say that Peterson and Tondro are reading politics into D&D. Except that when we return to the Greyhawk text, we see that it was actually Gygax and Kuntz who put “politics” into D&D.

The text itself comments on the fact that the lawful dragon is male, and the chaotic one is female. Gygax and Kuntz wrote: “Women’s lib may make whatever they wish from the foregoing.”


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The intent is clear. The female is a realm of chaos and evil, so of course they made their chaotic evil dragon a queen.

Yes, Gygax and Kuntz are making a game, but it is a game whose co-creator explicitly wrote into the rules that feminine power—perhaps even female equality—is by nature evil. There is little room for any other interpretation.

The so-called defenders of Gygax may now say that he was a man of his time, he didn’t know better, or some such. If only someone had told him women were people too in 1975! Well, Gygax was criticized for this fact of D&D at the time. And he left us his response.

Writing in EUROPA, a European fanzine, Gygax said:“I have been accused of being a nasty old sexist-male-Chauvinist-pig, for the wording in D&D isn’t what it should be. There should be more emphasis on the female role, more non-gendered names, and so forth."

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"I thought perhaps these folks were right and considered adding women in the ‘Raping and Pillaging[’] section, in the ‘Whores and Tavern Wenches’ chapter, the special magical part dealing with ‘Hags and Crones’...and thought perhaps of adding an appendix on ‘Medieval Harems, Slave Girls, and Going Viking’. Damn right I am sexist. It doesn’t matter to me if women get paid as much as men, get jobs traditionally male, and shower in the men’s locker room."

"They can jolly well stay away from wargaming in droves for all I care. I’ve seen many a good wargame and wargamer spoiled thanks to the fair sex. I’ll detail that if anyone wishes.”


So just to summarize here, Gygax wrote misogyny into the D&D rules. When this was raised with him as an issue at the time, his response was to offer to put rules on rape and sex slavery into D&D.

The outrage online directed at Peterson and Tondro is not only entirely misplaced and disproportional, and perhaps even dishonest in certain cases...

Part 2: D&D Co-Creator Gary Gygax was Sexist. Talking About it is Key to Preserving his Legacy....it is also directly harming the legacies of Gygax, Arneson, Kuntz and the entire first generation of genius game designers our online army of outraged grognards purport to defend.

How? Let me show you.The D&D player base is getting more diverse in every measurable way, including age, gender, sexual orientation, and race. To cite a few statistics, 81% of D&D players are Millenials or Gen Z, and 39% are women. This diversity is incredible, and not because the diversity is some blessed goal unto itself. Rather, the increasing diversity of D&D proves the vigor of the TTRPG medium. Like Japanese rap music or Soviet science fiction, the transportation of a medium across cultures, nations, and genders proves that it is an important method for exploring the human condition. And while TTRPGs are a game, they are also clearly an important method for exploring the human condition. The fact the TTRPG fanbase is no longer solely middle-aged Midwestern cis men of middle European descent...

...the fact that non-binary blerds and Indigenous trans women and fat Polish-American geeks like me and people from every bed of the human vegetable garden ...

find meaning in a game created by two white guys from the Midwest is proof that Gygax and Arneson were geniuses who heaved human civilization forward, even if only by a few feet.

So, as a community, how do we deal with the ugly prejudices of our hobby’s co-creator who also baked them into the game we love? We could pretend there is no problem at all, and say that anyone who mentions the problem is a liar. There is no misogyny to see. There is no **** and there is no stink, and anyone who says there is naughty word on your sneakers is lying and is just trying to embarrass you.

I wonder how that will go? Will all these new D&D fans decide that maybe D&D isn’t for them? They know the stink of misogyny, just like they know **** when they smell it. To say it isn’t there is an insult to their intelligence. If they left the hobby over this, it would leave our community smaller, poorer, and suggest that the great work of Gygax, Arneson, Kuntz, and the other early luminaries on D&D was perhaps not so great after all…

We could take the route of Disney and Song of the South. Wizards could remove all the PDFs of early D&D from DriveThruRPG. They could refuse to ever reprint this material again. Hide it. Bury it. Erase it all with copyright law and lawyers. Yet no matter how deeply you bury the past, it always tends to come back up to the surface again. Heck, there are whole podcast series about that. And what will all these new D&D fans think when they realize that a corporation tried to hide its own mistakes from them?

Again, maybe they decide D&D isn’t the game for them. Or maybe when someone tells you there is **** on your shoe, you say thanks, clean it off, and move on.

We honor the old books, but when they tell a reader they are a lesser human being, we should acknowledge that is not the D&D of 2024. Something like...

“Hey reader, we see you in all your wondrous multiplicity of possibility, and if we were publishing this today, it wouldn’t contain messages and themes telling some of you that you are less than others. So we just want to warn you. That stuff’s in there.”

Y’know, something like that legacy content warning they put on all those old PDFs on DriveThruRPG. And when we see something bigoted in old D&D, we talk about it. It lets the new, broad, and deep tribe of D&D know that we do not want bigotry in D&D today. Talking about it welcomes the entire human family into the hobby.To do anything less is to damn D&D to darkness. It hobbles its growth, gates its community, denies the world the joy of the game, and denies its creators their due. D&D’s creators were visionary game designers. They were also people, and people are kinda ****** up. So a necessary step in making D&D the sort of cultural pillar that it deserves to be is to name its bigotries and prejudices when you see them. Failure to do so hurts the game by shrinking our community and therefore shrinking the legacy of its creators.

Appendix 1: Yeah, I know Chaos isn’t the same as Evil in OD&D.

But I would also point out as nerdily as possible that on pg. 9 of Book 1 of OD&D, under “Character Alignment, Including Various Monsters and Creatures,” Evil High Priests are included under the “Chaos” heading, along with the undead. So I would put to you that Gygax did see a relationship between Evil and Chaos at the time.

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IF you are looking for a way to reframe Tiamat and Bahomet, I ended up leaning harder into the idea of Yin and Yang, since Dragonborn were listed in the material I had has basically eschewing the gods when they had any other choice. I essentially made Tiamat the Id and Bahomet the Super-Ego of Dragonborn, to reference Junge. I think it works nicely [I also have largely removed all evil gods from my games, and relied on Demon Princes and Archdevils to fill those narrative roles, but that is a separate story]
 

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I'm sorry, but you continue to avoid my question and haven't actually told me what in the book falls under the idea of "visceral, inexplicable need to pass judgement" other than putting in a disclaimer. This whole thing reads as a deflection without any sort of proof, and given that you've done it twice, I think it's safe to say that you don't actually have anything from the book that would justify this sort of backlash.

There was a separate thread that included two sections of text from the book. I mentioned them in response.

And also it's not a "notion" that all history writing is political: as someone who teaches it, all history writing is political. What you include, what you don't, how you cover something... it all shows you bias in some way. You don't need to be Howard Zinn to put politics into history...

At least you are mentioning the 'master craftsman' of it.

All historians are directing you whether they want to or not because it's simply impossible to write something with everything in it and let someone decide on their own: you can't fully contextualize everything, include everything, reference everything that might be useful.

Right, and editing can be as political as anything else. While a writer is to some extent 'present' in their work, that doesn't mean necessarily that their choices are political. We will have to disagree on this point.

It's not. People love trying to make the past more conservative than it actually is as a sort of excuse for bad views, but as has been brought up extensively by multiple people (though credit to @Steampunkette in particular), Gary's views weren't mainstream and even other people from that time could agree on that.

Right, and I am having that parallel discussion with them.

People that were alive then (as I was) experienced life differently from each other, just like people do now. I would say among those 'people loving to make the past more conservative' are people that know from direct experience. How many younger people really idolize Gary Gygax?

There were very forward looking people in the early 70s, even in less forward looking places. The presence of them does not mean their views were commonplace. Certainly, views were being challenged. If you were alive then, one challenge average people anywhere in the USA experienced was the Vietnam War. If it wasn't a relative, you knew someone or their brother that joined or were drafted and didn't necessarily come back (in one piece).
 

OK, folks, let me be really clear. This forum is not the place to discuss US politics, historical or current. From now on, we'll be handing out threadbans. Stay on topic, please.

Sorry about that. I just noticed your response. I appreciate the fine line. It can be very hard to contextualize the life and views of someone without touching on these very things. I am going to step away from the thread for that reason.
 


@AnotherGuy

IF you are looking for a way to reframe Tiamat and Bahomet, I ended up leaning harder into the idea of Yin and Yang, since Dragonborn were listed in the material I had has basically eschewing the gods when they had any other choice. I essentially made Tiamat the Id and Bahomet the Super-Ego of Dragonborn, to reference Junge. I think it works nicely [I also have largely removed all evil gods from my games, and relied on Demon Princes and Archdevils to fill those narrative roles, but that is a separate story]
In some games, I use Bahamut, Sardior, and Tiamat, respectively, as the Creator, Preserver, and Destroyer. It's not that far removed from what's implicitly present with Siberys, Eberron, and Khyber in the Eberron setting.
 

Okay, but the stuff on X comes as a response to people getting outraged for them putting in a disclaimer. It's meant to show why they put in a disclaimer. I would get people giving a little bit of pushback if Riggs just seemingly did this out of nowhere, but it definitely wasn't out of nowhere and was in response to blowback on rather mundane disclaimer in a historical text.
Gotcha.
I'm not on X, haven't looked at the book the disclaimer is in, and my only familiarity with Ben Riggs are the clickbait titles the name is associated with on here.
So, of course, my first impression in seeing this thread was "Oh look, some clickbait..." Then as I read it, I thought it should've been titled "7 More Reasons to Hate Gary Gygax!! ...Number 5 Will Shock You".

You can only imagine how shocked I was that anyone was taking this seriously.
 

There was a separate thread that included two sections of text from the book. I mentioned them in response.

Uh, you can link or post them here, because saying "They're in another thread" is incredibly unhelpful and obtuse when trying to have a discussion with someone.

At least you are mentioning the 'master craftsman' of it.

Pfft, you clearly haven't read Victor Davis Hanson! :ROFLMAO:

Right, and editing can be as political as anything else. While a writer is to some extent 'present' in their work, that doesn't mean necessarily that their choices are political. We will have to disagree on this point.

It absolutely does. You can disagree all you want, but this is basically the "There are two genders: male and political" joke: it's only politics if you don't like it. There's always politics in writing, and thinking there isn't is its own political belief, just like "doing nothing" is still a choice, despite what some people might say. Trying to fall back on the idea "It's just political" is kind of inane because of that. Everything is political to someone, you just accept it and move on to the actual discussion at hand.

Right, and I am having that parallel discussion with them.

People that were alive then (as I was) experienced life differently from each other, just like people do now. I would say among those 'people loving to make the past more conservative' are people that know from direct experience. How many younger people really idolize Gary Gygax?

Yes, but your experience doesn't necessarily hold the same as the collective, which is why you should look at larger trends as she did. But the whole exercise is a just a massive excuse for Gygax anyways when we have people who were there at the time saying he was noted for his views even back then. We talk about what got into the letters section, but I'm sure there is a bunch of stuff that didn't which informs those people. Given that we have a bunch of evidence towards him being unique in that regard, it'd be on you to find something that goes against that rather than simply appealing to a generalized view of an era.

There were very forward looking people in the early 70s, even in less forward looking places. The presence of them does not mean their views were commonplace. Certainly, views were being challenged. If you were alive then, one challenge average people anywhere in the USA experienced was the Vietnam War. If it wasn't a relative, you knew someone or their brother that joined or were drafted and didn't necessarily come back (in one piece).

That's a bold assertion without much actual proof. Given that we can no longer give proof in the thread, I suggest you probably move off this whole idea it was commonplace and move on to a separate argument.
 

Well, "some" might be understating it a bit

I have already noted that I find flogging with the Trout of Righteousness to be a low-value activity. So, I am a poor choice of audience for your quibbles over how many flaws the man had.

More on audience below.

...but I think we...

Hold that thought, too.

should probably move beyond looking him as fans and more towards him a historical figure: the former is what creates these backlashes

With respect, you are making a tactical blunder Vizzini would liken to getting into a land war in Asia.

You blame the backlash on people thinking like fans. I would blame the backlash on folks failing to remember perhaps the most important rule of effective communication - "Know your audience."

You can't come to a site devoted to fandom and then blame those fans for being what they are! Might as well put yourself in the middle of a herd of rhinos, blow a horn, and blame the rhinos for you getting trampled. If you don't recognize and properly account for the nature of the audience, that's your fault, not theirs.

In approach, honestly, while you say "...we should probably...," the rhetorical positioning is more, "I have already done this, and I know what you should do as well." You are subtly positioned as separate from the "we" that you are claiming.
 

Framing someone based on their race is passing judgement. Cultural appropriation is modern and controversial, and in application, passing judgement.

I would recommend reviewing the Terms and rules of the site - specifically the section "Keep it inclusive".

Dismissing arguments by bulk association - like, "I don't accept the concept of cultural appropriation in general, so I dismiss your arguments for referencing it." - will not serve you well.
 


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