D&D (2024) Ranger 2024 is a bigger joke than Ranger 2014:

[CreamCloud0]

Are you going to add a lock picking mini game for the rogue too?

im just going to ignore this unhelpfulness.

i know

Hunter's Mark
V or S.

what part of hunter's mark isn't relevant isn't sinking in?

componentless spells can exist even if not naturally occuring and have to be achieved through metamagic.

 

[mellored]

what part of hunter's mark isn't relevant isn't sinking in?

im just going to ignore this unhelpfulness.

 

[CreamCloud0]

im just going to ignore this unhelpfulness.

i had never mentioned HM as anything relevant to the ranger ignoring V components, i don't know why you are so fixated on bringing it specifically into the topic.

 

[MuhVerisimilitude]

Are you going to add a lock picking mini game for the rogue too?

Lock picking as a skill is already actionable. There already IS a system to engage with and the purpose of the rogue isn't to just pick locks. it's to be sneaky and thiefy in general.

Even if the rogue sucks as a class the class still has mechanics to engage with the core concept of the class. You can still lock pick or do whatever thief things you want.

The ranger doesn't really have that, because there is no system for wilderness travel and survival.

 

[mellored]

i had never mentioned HM as anything relevant to the ranger ignoring V components, i don't know why you are so fixated on bringing it specifically into the topic.

Why talk about how to make ranger feature be useful in stealth in a ranger thead?

Dunno.

 

[mellored]

Lock picking as a skill is already actionable. There already IS a system to engage with and the purpose of the rogue isn't to just pick locks. it's to be sneaky and thiefy in general.

Make skill check to see if you succeed.

The ranger doesn't really have that, because there is no system for wilderness travel and survival.

Make skill check to see if you succeed.

Not sure I see the difference.

 

[CreamCloud0]

Why talk about how to make ranger feature be useful in stealth in a ranger thead?

Dunno.

but why fixate on HM specifically, it's one spell amongst many, i'm advocating for a universal tweak to ranger casting.

 

[mellored]

but why fixate on HM specifically, it's one spell amongst many, i'm advocating for a universal tweak to ranger casting.

I'm don't know if every ranger spell should be castable from stealth.

Probably many of them would be fine.

 

[MuhVerisimilitude]

Make skill check to see if you succeed.

Not sure I see the difference.

What skill check? What does a success mean? What does a failure mean? Can you get lost in the wilds? How much food do you get when you hunt? How difficult would these checks be?

 

[mellored]

What skill check? What does a success mean? What does a failure mean? Can you get lost in the wilds? How much food do you get when you hunt? How difficult would these checks be?

survival / slight of hand
Getting though the forest / door
Not getting though the forest / door
Can you get stuck behind a door?
How much gold is in the locked chest?
How difficult is it to pick a lock?

If your advocating a survival / food DC table in the DMG, right next to the lock picking DC table. Then sure. Don't see why not.