D&D (2024) Dual Wielding

[Shardstone]

Okay. That’s helpful, but can I get the actual text for the light property?

When you take the Attack action on your turn and attack with a Light weapon, you can make one extra attack as a Bonus Action later on the same turn. That extra attack must be made with a different weapon Light weapon, and you don't add your ability modifier to the extra attack's damage unless that modifier is negative. For example, you can attack with a Shortsword in one hand and a Dagger in the other using the Attack action and a Bonus Action, but you don't add your Strength or Dexterity modifier to the damage roll of the Bonus Action unless that modifier is negative.

 

[Shardstone]

Personally, I might run this as instead of not adding the modifier, the damage die o the Bonus Action attack goes down one step (to a minimum of 1d4), and remains the same if you have Two Weapon Fighting. I would also just combine Two Weapon Fighting and Dual Wielder. More succinct this way imo.

 

[Charlaquin]

Nothing in the ruleset should be this convoluted. I am not fond of 2024's attempt to use technical setups with a game that is mostly built from natural language (and works a hell of a lot better with natural language).

It’s not written technically, which is actually the problem. Because it’s written in natural language, it’s possible to interpret the text in a few different ways, and it’s not clear which way was intended.

 

[fluffybunbunkittens]

Okay. That’s helpful, but can I get the actual text for the light property?

In the starting post of this thread are all the parts that make up two-weapon fighting.

 

[Charlaquin]

I don't think 'off-hand' is a term that's used anywhere in the book now.

Pretty sure it wasn’t a term that was used anywhere in the 2014 rules either.

 

[DarkCrisis]

I give honest props to modern D&D making duel wielding and using a two handed actually useful.

AD&D and Basic etc, AC is absolute king. Sword and Board all day.

 

[Arilyn]

I'm reading all this and my head is aching Are we really sure 5e should be the gateway game? The revised edition definitely seems to be upping the difficulty with convoluted "rulesy" writing.

 

[Charlaquin]

I'm reading all this and my head is aching Are we really sure 5e should be the gateway game? The revised edition definitely seems to be upping the difficulty with convoluted "rulesy" writing.

It’s really not written “rulesy.” The rules in question are very much phrased in natural language, which is the problem. Imprecise language leaves room for ambiguity.

 

[ECMO3]

Two Weapon Fighting Style: add mod to both Nick and Dual Wielder.

Where do you get this from? I see nothing stating TWF applies to dual wielder and as you stated it is a different bonus action.

 

[Arilyn]

It’s really not written “rulesy.” The rules in question are very much phrased in natural language, which is the problem. Imprecise language leaves room for ambiguity.

Okay. I was thinking of all the actions and conditions which come off as rulesy.
If this is more natural, that's good but not good if it's confusing. Seems to be a lot of confusion already. Here's hoping this is more clear once the book hits general release.