D&D General D&D 2024 does not deserve to succeed

[mamba]

Both were factors. Oversimplifying is a common mistake. The real world is messy.

do you think a simpler game would still have lost players to WoW? I do, so to me the primary reason for the loss of players imo is WoW (and the general drop in sales D&D always experienced)

I don’t agree. They got the game off the ground from nothing - largely without relevant training. I think they did well to get as far as they did before running into problems.

and I think they could have gotten much farther with better management. That they got anywhere at all was due to D&D becoming this popular on its own, not due to TSR’s management prowess. The game was good enough that even TSR could not kill it

 

[Paul Farquhar]

do you think a simpler game would still have lost players to WoW

You lose some players, pick up a different group of players, those looking for a social activity. You can’t compete with WoW by trying to be WoW.

and I think they could have gotten much farther with better management

Anyone can get further by being better, no matter how good you are to begin with.

D&D becoming this popular on its own

It certainly didn’t become popular on it own! How do you think people found out about it? Magic?

 

[Oofta]

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It certainly didn’t become popular on it own! How do you think people found out about it? Magic?

Mass suggestion?

 

[ECMO3]

It certainly didn’t become popular on it own! How do you think people found out about it? Magic?

Devil Worship. Early on D&D was spread through satanic cults as a means to convert adolescents, until eventually it started taking off with the general populace and the cults lost control.

D&D and Hard Rock both gained popularity from the devil. I heard that if you read the 1E PHB backwards it you could even hear the coded satanic messages.

 

[Nefermandias]

I love how every single one of those "D&D killers" are just D20 based hacks or straight up clones with only minor tweaks and a few added subsystems.

 

[Horwath]

I love how every single one of those "D&D killers" are just D20 based hacks or straight up clones with only minor tweaks and a few added subsystems.

I love the AGE system just because they threw d20 out of the window...

 

[Micah Sweet]

You are simply wrong. Without mega corporation money D&D would be a tiny minority interest as it was in TSR days.

But it doesn’t need YOU to support it. You are irrelevant. It needs a steady influx of NEW players, as do all the smaller businesses that hang onto WotC’s coat tails.

I liked the TSR days. The '90s had a much better balance of games played and supported than today, where it's 95% whatever WotC's making, 5% literally everything else.

 

[Micah Sweet]

Good thing you don't have to support them if they don't make a product you want. Just don't tell me I shouldn't support them by buying products I want simply because you don't want them.

When have I ever said anything of the sort?

 

[Paul Farquhar]

I liked the TSR days. The '90s had a much better balance of games played and supported than today, where it's 95% whatever WotC's making, 5% literally everything else.

I would say the 80s was even better. But the hobby was tiny then.

 

[KYRON45]

Devil Worship. Early on D&D was spread through satanic cults as a means to convert adolescents, until eventually it started taking off with the general populace and the cults lost control.

D&D and Hard Rock both gained popularity from the devil. I heard that if you read the 1E PHB backwards it you could even hear the coded satanic messages.

The 1e PHB is hard to read forward; so I should give backwards a try.