D&D General Dmg previews up

[tetrasodium]

Isn't that Matt Mercer's job now???

Nah, he demonstrates what the average player should expect as the gold standard for typical d&d sessions no matter how much or little players put into making it work. You are thinking about the other Matt Coleville is the one who teaches GMing.

@Iosue the 2014 dmg is so badly organized that even wotc has openly admitted as much.

 

[Chaosmancer]

That's the issue though... "bigger and more awesome" to you is MOAR POWER and garbage to me.

False and insulting.

I am just hoping, in the end, there might be something I can glean from it--like Sidekicks in Tasha's, which was the only thing I adapted from that book.

I seriously wish you well in getting something that appeals to you. I have no issue with that at all, it just isn't my taste or what D&D means, and always has meant, to me.

If that was all it was, then I wouldn't be this depressed and exhausted. But it isn't just "this just isn't my taste" it is EVERY thread about 2024 getting multiple people showing up, many of whom have repeatedly stated they have no interest in the game at all and never have since 2021, who REPEATEDLY go after the same points.

Heck, this morning I was scrolling and saw a "fun" video up from DnD Shorts titled "The New Rules are 100% Balanced with Zero Exploits" with a little "This is Fine" thumbnail. Obviously sarcasm, but it annoys me because you will likely never find a rule system ever created that is perfectly balanced with no exploits. So what's the joke? Haha, the game isn't actually perfect, don't you feel silly now?

 

[Chaosmancer]

I've seen as much of 5.5 as anyone (my friend has the new PH and I've looked it over) and still don't care for it. Hope that's ok. Not sure how the presence of dissenting opinions can affect your excitement about something, unless said dissenters are in your play circle.

Of course you don't care for it. You've been adamant about not caring for it for years. You've made that VERY clear. Repeatedly. Ad nauseum.

Of course, maybe you find it easy to still be excited when every time you go into a room, someone is there telling you how naughty word the thing you want to be excited for is. For years. Course, literally everything we know about human behavior says otherwise, but what kind of evidence is that.

 

[Chaosmancer]

Apropos of nothing, have you heard the Good Word of the "Ignore" feature? It helps, it really does!

I've been tempted, but I do most of my reading logged off, so I can actually follow the conversations. Otherwise, it is a bunch of non-sequiters and half formed thoughts. And that is unbearably confusing.

 

[Chaosmancer]

It was good. Genuinely good, thought out, interesting, left me wanting more.

Yeah, I never had the time to truly dig deep into the setting, but it was a really fascinating one from the scraps I saw.

 

[Chaosmancer]

I seriously don't get the claims of the 2014 DMG being "badly organized." I can understand wanting a different organization, like the bottom-up one the 2024 DMG apparently has, but that doesn't make the 2014 DMG "badly" organized.

It has a top-down organization.
Chapter 1 is world building.
Chapter 2 is adventure design.
Chapter 3 is running the game advice, first with commentary on the standard rules, and then with rules variants.
It's got a detailed table of contents and an index. It's not that hard to use.

Like the 2014 PHB, it's not geared for the beginning player. That's what the Starter Set was for. It seemed to assume that by the time you got the DMG, you were ready and willing to create your own homebrew world. And that seems perfectly valid to me, considering the time and audience it was made for. 2014 was built around the free Basic Rules. That gave you plenty of character options, DM info, and monsters to play with. The Core Three were simply reference books with even more options and info.

The new books seem to specifically designed for the onboarding of new players and DMs. And I think that's a great idea, but that doesn't make me think the 5e DMG was bad. It has served me well over the last decade.

I would say though, that merely from the sheer number of things people didn't realize there were rules for... the DMG ended up kind of impenetrable (hyperbole) for a lot of people. There are a ton of rules that people have made... only to realize a version of it already existed in the DMG.

Maybe some of that could be placed on the people reading it, but the sheer number of reports of it happening indicate that there was a problem with the presentation on the information.

 

[Guest 7037866]

False and insulting.

Well, it is NOT false. My opinions, likes, and feelings on the subject cannot be "false".

My aplogies if you find the fact that I have different tastes from you insulting. It is no different than tastes in other things, such as movies, books, music, food, etc. Many people love fish, I find it disgusting, for example. Music is another example, some people like classical and find hip-hop or heavy metal or even jazz to be horrible noise--not music.

There is no insult in this, just different tastes.

If that was all it was, then I wouldn't be this depressed and exhausted. But it isn't just "this just isn't my taste" it is EVERY thread about 2024 getting multiple people showing up, many of whom have repeatedly stated they have no interest in the game at all and never have since 2021, who REPEATEDLY go after the same points.

Then why are you replying to it? If it bothers you let it go, right?

I posted about how surprised I am about the excitement portrayed in the video. The people are really into this 2024 D&D! And I prefaced it by realizing I just can't get as stoked about it, that I don't consider myself a "gamer" in that sense.

Just because you like something other people don't doesn't mean you have to defend it all the time. Like what you like and don't worry about others I guess?

Obviously sarcasm, but it annoys me because you will likely never find a rule system ever created that is perfectly balanced with no exploits. So what's the joke? Haha, the game isn't actually perfect, don't you feel silly now?

True, you won't find a perfectly balanced game, etc., and I'm guessing the people who made it are the sort who find riffing on someone else's hard work "fun".

 

[FitzTheRuke]

I do like art. I just don't see, "I love the art!" As a reason to buy something that is fundamentally more about the words than the pictures. I'm not buying an art book, so art isn't why I'm here, giving someone money.

Oh, that makes more sense. I guess I got the impression that you were utterly disinterested in art (You tend to bring up your disinterest whenever anyone mentions liking any of the new art).

But I agree with you in principle - I wouldn't buy a D&D book just for the art. I buy it for the content.

But the art is a perk for a lot of people, and there is a group (though a small one) that would buy a book (or choose to not buy it) because of its art. Most people I think we'd find, are in between. They like the art, and want it to be good, but would buy (or not buy) the book either way.

But that doesn't mean that they wouldn't like the book to have a lot of art! The more art, the more chance you'll find a piece that inspires.

Again, I find that I feel like you sometimes complain about things that are features, not flaws. YMMV.

 

[mamba]

I posted about how surprised I am about the excitement portrayed in the video

in the video? I thought as a reaction to the video… The ‘in the video’ part is easily explained by it being a commercial, and the people in it know that, they are trying to sell the book to you

 

[FitzTheRuke]

in the video? I thought as a reaction to the video… The ‘in the video’ part is easily explained by it being a commercial, and the people in it know that, they are trying to sell the book to you

Not to mention, if you're not excited about 2(ish) years of your work finally being complete and getting a chance to be seen, you are probably in the wrong job.

They don't even have to be "putting it on", but they would, if they needed to.