D&D (2024) Thief Rogue / True Strike

[abirdcall]

I think this showcases how useful it is to have a rules glossary at the back of the book.

Instead of us needing to hunt down all the different meanings of Magic Action it is just on pg 371 where it describes 3 separate cases that call for a Magic Action.

One of them is clearly what Fast Hands enhances while the other 2 are not.

 

[Oofta]

There is no free object interaction rule in 5.24e. It is either a utilize action, or part of another action like an attack action or a magic action.

That's why I asked you what rule you're using for this free action, if it is not part of the magic action. I don't think it exists. In this instance, for this kind of item, it is part of the magic action.

If you had the scroll in your hand at the start of your turn there would be no action associated to the scroll. As with all items you have one free object interaction to pick something up.

Casting the spell? That bonus action, action or 10 minutes casting time has nothing to do with the scroll.

 

[Mistwell]

If you had the scroll in your hand at the start of your turn there would be no action associated to the scroll. As with all items you have one free object interaction to pick something up.

You do not. You are mistaken.

I'm not sure how much clearer I can make it. There IS NO FREE OBJECT INTERACTION RULE separate from another action.

It is free only in that it is done along with another action. It's the action involved with the item. That would be one of 1) the Utilize action, or 2) the Magic action, or 3) the Attack action. It's one of those for objects. It's not just a free action. That isn't a rule.

You cannot draw and read a scroll for free, without some other action associated with it.

It's the magic action you're dodging here. To use the scroll, the drawing of it and reading it is part of the magic action. That's the rule. That's how that works. It's not separate. There is no free object interaction here: it's part of the magic action.

Not sure how many different ways I can say it. I quoted all the rules involved earlier. But if you disagree, quote a rule which says it's free object interaction for a scroll (or any object) disassociated from another action. As far as I can tell, such a rule does not exist, at least not in 5.24e.

 

[fluffybunbunkittens]

There IS NO FREE OBJECT INTERACTION RULE separate from another action.

Time-Limited Object Interactions​

When time is short, such as in combat, interactions with objects are limited: one free interaction per turn. That interaction must occur during a creature’s movement or action. Any additional interactions require the Utilize action, as explained in “Combat” later in this chapter.

Technically, movement is not an action.

 

[Oofta]

You do not. You are mistaken.

I'm not sure how much clearer I can make it. There IS NO FREE OBJECT INTERACTION RULE separate from another action.

It is free only in that it is done along with another action. It's the action involved with the item. That would be one of 1) the Utilize action, or 2) the Magic action, or 3) the Attack action. It's one of those for objects. It's not just a free action. That isn't a rule.

You cannot draw and read a scroll for free, without some other action associated with it.

It's the magic action you're dodging here. To use the scroll, the drawing of it and reading it is part of the magic action. That's the rule. That's how that works. It's not separate. There is no free objection interaction here: it's part of the magic action.

Not sure how many different ways I can say it. I quoted all the rules involved earlier. But if you disagree, quote a rule which says it's free object interaction for a scroll (or anything) disassociated from another action. As far as I can tell, such a rule does not exist, at least not in 5.24e.

We disagree.

Edit: in the combat section
"Interacting with Things. You can interact with one object or feature of the environment for free, "

 

[Mistwell]

Technically, movement is not an action.

True, but non-weapon objects are not part of that so I was trying to not confuse things further

 

[fluffybunbunkittens]

True, but non-weapon objects are not part of that so I was trying to not confuse things further

What Is an Object?​

For the purpose of the rules, an object is a discrete, inanimate item like a window, door, sword, book, table, chair, or stone. It isn’t a building or a vehicle, which are composed of many objects.

 

[Mistwell]

We disagree.

Edit: in the combat section
"Interacting with Things. You can interact with one object or feature of the environment for free, "

OK, why did you just cut that sentence off at the comma when you knew darn well the rest of the sentence WAS MY ENTIRE POINT? " during either your move or action"

For Objects, they explain (in all the parts I quoted earlier) it's the Attack action for weapons, it's the Magic action for items which require the Magic action, and it's the Utilize action for items which require that action. There are some circumstances where it can be the Move action, like a door. But in no situation is it disassociated from some sort of other action. For a magic item, it's the Magic Action unless it says otherwise.

 

[abirdcall]

We disagree.

Edit: in the combat section
"Interacting with Things. You can interact with one object or feature of the environment for free, "

It's also on page 20.

"one free interaction [of an object] per turn" which must occur during movement or an action.

So as I walk I can pull a scroll out of my bag. And then on my next turn I can hand it to someone else as I walk. I just interacted with a scroll twice and neither time involved an action.

If I open a door so I can cast a spell through it I'm not doing a magic action on the door. I'm using a free object interaction during my magic action.

 

[Mistwell]

"

What Is an Object?​

For the purpose of the rules, an object is a discrete, inanimate item like a window, door, sword, book, table, chair, or stone. It isn’t a building or a vehicle, which are composed of many objects.

Sure, but then it specifies the actions things are associated with. Weapons are part of the move or attack action. Magic items that require the Magic action are part of the Magic action. Items which specify they require the Utilize action are part of the Utilize action.

A magic item which requires the Magic action includes the free object interaction fort that magic item in the Magic action used with the item. Scroll, Wand, Staff, etc, these all take a Magic action, and the object interaction is part of that Magic action and not separate from it.

Now if you are going to hit someone over the head with your scroll, it is part of your Attack action. But if you're reading it to activate the magic item, it's the Magic action. The action associated with your use of the item is what the "free" action is associated with, but there is always some sort of non-free phase it's associated with.