D&D General Greyhawk Humanocentricism?

[Shadowdweller00]

Humans are honestly kind of a cancer. They're a bit like ants, spring up in colonies every few decades, form these "kingdoms" where they pretend they own everything, then invariably burn themselves out by various means: getting eaten by monsters, going on stupid and lethal "crusades", messing around with contagious undead, blundering about causing magical cataclysms, or just plain butchering each other. I mean, have you ever seriously bothered to consider how all the trolls, ogres, giants, and other various anthropophagic monsters manage to keep themselves alive? What happens when vampires or wraiths get unleashed on a major population center? Or how about where all those "ancient" ruined dungeons REALLY come from?

Humans have crap memories.

 

[Parmandur]

You say that. I say justice for Gnomeregan!


(The Shire is also there, if someone cares for hob... flings— halflings, ejem).

There are ample places for gnomiah and Halfling communities in Greyhawk: theybare just managing to stay outside the control of major nations, let alone make their own.

 

[Zardnaar]

Not a purist but thinking about it more.

Spotlight races. This means most story beats, racial magic items. AD&D ones plus Tieflings, Genasi, Gith, Drow, Lizardfolk.

Potential spotlight races. Various humanoids with strong AD&D pedigree. Kobolds, Orcs, Hobgoblins etc. Anything else derived from humans eg half vampires, Goliath.

Not recommended. Not banned but not very common. Obscure races.

Potentially banned. Setting specific races. Eg Kender,Warforged, Plasmoids,Tortles, Flyers. Translation ask the DM. Ones probably fine whole party maybe play FR.

Starring location Sasserine or near Saltmarsh

 

[AdmundfortGeographer]

Yeah, I was referring specifically to Greyhawk not having a gnome or halfling nation.

I recall that the Kron Hills and Flinty Hills very specifically have gnome nations.

But I can’t think of anywhere that are halflings lands. Maybe a village or valley here or there in human-controlled lands.

 

[Zeromaru X]

Humans are honestly kind of a cancer. They're a bit like ants, spring up in colonies every few decades, form these "kingdoms" where they pretend they own everything, then invariably burn themselves out by various means: getting eaten by monsters, going on stupid and lethal "crusades", messing around with contagious undead, blundering about causing magical cataclysms, or just plain butchering each other. I mean, have you ever seriously bothered to consider how all the trolls, ogres, giants, and other various anthropophagic monsters manage to keep themselves alive? What happens when vampires or wraiths get unleashed on a major population center? Or how about where all those "ancient" ruined dungeons REALLY come from?

Humans have crap memories.

Ok, guys. We have found Agent Smith.

 

[Remathilis]

I recall that the Kron Hills and Flinty Hills very specifically have gnome nations.

But I can’t think of anywhere that are halflings lands. Maybe a village or valley here or there in human-controlled lands.

My point is that nobody* argues that gnomes and halflings have no place in Greyhawk because they lack a dedicated nation. The same can be true of the other PHB species.

* Well, some people argue gnomes and halflings have no place in D&D, but that's a different thing.

 

[Pauln6]

Not a purist but thinking about it more.

Spotlight races. This means most story beats, racial magic items. AD&D ones plus Tieflings, Genasi, Gith, Drow, Lizardfolk.

Potential spotlight races. Various humanoids with strong AD&D pedigree. Kobolds, Orcs, Hobgoblins etc. Anything else derived from humans eg half vampires, Goliath.

Not recommended. Not banned but not very common. Obscure races.

Potentially banned. Setting specific races. Eg Kender,Warforged, Plasmoids,Tortles, Flyers. Translation ask the DM. Ones probably fine whole party maybe play FR.

Starring location Sasserine or near Saltmarsh

Warforged exist in Blackmoor. Also potentially anyone who has found the Unoerthly Cave and sold on or activated stolen tech.

 

[EzekielRaiden]

My point is that nobody* argues that gnomes and halflings have no place in Greyhawk because they lack a dedicated nation. The same can be true of the other PHB species.

* Well, some people argue gnomes and halflings have no place in D&D, but that's a different thing.

I have definitely seen at least one person argue that, because there isn't any nation that dragonborn canonically lived in/ruled over, they can't exist on Greyhawk.

 

[AnotherGuy]

For what I have read in this very topic, the setting would be ruined for many people even if they add new stuff instead of replacing old elements.

The problem seems to be the addition of new elements that deviate from the Tolkienesque tradition, regardless of how WotC does it. People won't have a problem if they add fruit elves, only if they add dragonborn.

People like what they like, right?

 

[EzekielRaiden]

People like what they like, right?

"It's okay to not like things, but don't be a dick about it."

More importantly: Liking what one likes is lovely. Not letting anyone else have what they like because you need everything to only give what you like is a pretty clear problem. It's part of why, for example, gay people basically never get core protagonists unless the creator goes out of their way to make it happen. Because most people are straight, and most of them only want a straight protagonist so they can relate to them more.