D&D (2024) Kobold Press posts 2024 DMG Hit Piece

[mamba]

It was weird to watch how the early Tales of the Valiant was positioned to be the more conservative version of 5E compared to the upcoming WotC revisions...which is not a wide market niche, as it turned out.

I doubt their market share would be much different if they had deviated more…

The position was more ‘we are 5e with an open license and on multiple VTTs even after WotC revokes their OGL and is moving to their own VTT only’, which then fell apart when WotC went with CC and made it even more open instead, thereby also removing all the intended VTT restrictions.

As to how well ToV does vs what Kobold expected, no idea. Ultimately I see ToV as an insurance policy against what WotC intended to do with the OGL and to a lesser degree (now that the SRD is in CC) against future WotC brainfarts

 

[Micah Sweet]

I'm not concerned about WotC's wellbeing. Did I say something to imply that I was?

Like I said, KP isn't in competition with WotC. It's in competition with all the other 3PP 5E creators. WotC isn't even in the same industry as everybody else.

It's the same customer base, so I kinda think they are in the same industry.

 

[mamba]

Nor did it work in practice since many of the more radical things were mirrored or exceeded by KP. Only one of those two companies standardized subclass levels or has universal spell lists, for example.

a point for KP… that 2024 did not standardize subclass levels will never sit well with me

 

[mamba]

When did WotC trash talk KP or any other 3PP?

it is not the only thing a company does that one can find offensive

The OGL was a thousand times worse imo, even the Pinkertons are at least on par and I did not care about that one at all… heck, having to blur PHB pages in review videos is easily on par too, basically any time WotC does anything, it is worse

 

[Morrus]

It's the same customer base, so I kinda think they are in the same industry.

This is now just semantics, which is a an impressively tedious way to converse. I’ll leave you to it.

 

[Morrus]

that is why I put ‘competition’ in quotes in one of my replies


as an underdog relative to most other publishers, agreed. As an underdog relative to WotC, not so much… pretty much everyone is in underdog in comparison

Oh god.

 

[jerryrice4949]

Stuff like that is the reason I have not bought any TotV stuff as of now. I hear it's pretty good, especially on the GM side, but it does not stand out enough to make me spend money on it.
It's not like there is a dearth of great systems to try.

Me too. I used to back almost all KP stuff but haven’t since they started primarily pushing ToV which I have no interest in. I feel their best stuff for 5E was some of the early Midgard stuff like Demon Cults which may be my favorite 3PP book but has been going downhill for a while now.

 

[Parmandur]

it is not the only thing a company does that one can find offensive

The OGL was a thousand times worse imo, even the Pinkertons are at least on par and I did not care about that one at all… heck, having to blur PHB pages in review videos is easily on par too, basically any time WotC does anything, it is worse

It isn't about a "company", it is about an individual , the lrad designer, dunking on another game. I would be utterly flabbergasted if Jeremy Crawford or Justice Srmin did the same to ToV.

 

[Micah Sweet]

Me too. I used to back almost all KP stuff but haven’t since they started primarily pushing ToV which I have no interest in. I feel their best stuff for 5E was some of the early Midgard stuff like Demon Cults which may be my favorite 3PP book but has been going downhill for a while now.

I liked the Deep Magic series. Lots of good ideas in there.

 

[jerryrice4949]

I responded to part of this in another post; however, this does not hurt WOTC in the slightest. It is additional advertising. It is not even that negative. A bit salty, perhaps, self-serving, sure, but also helpful. I am lucky that I have 2014 DMG to flesh out all the missing parts o 2024.

A diehard WOTC fan typically only buys official content. This will not sway them.

I buy a lot of both. Not sure you have a good grasp on what you are talking about.