D&D (2024) Kobold Press posts 2024 DMG Hit Piece

[Remathilis]

I started with the BECMI Red Box. An amazing starter product! When I moved on to the 1e DMG, I didn't feel a gap. Rather, I saw it as the next level of complexity.

I don't see why modern D&D can't do something similar. Phandelver was the best starter product I've seen from official D&D since the Red Box, for example.

And as good as Phandelver is at teaching new DMs how to run a table, it doesn't teach how to make an adventure, world build or manage a campaign. The new DMG does an exceptional job of this. It comes at the cost of people who want to tinker beyond D&D's core. It's a sacrifice I'm fine with because optional rules like that are probably better served by 3pp products.

 

[mamba]

Largely compatible, and literally intended to some degree to push one towards the AD&D line.

push yes, but not to teach DMs while AD&D would not do that

 

[Vaalingrade]

Ideally, you move on to the DMG only if you want to. The starter provides everything you actually need.

I'd say what you actually need is a guide on how to DM.

 

[Micah Sweet]

push yes, but not to teach DMs while AD&D would not do that

I don't know. I felt pretty well on my way learning to DM after assimilating the Red Box, and saw the 1e DMG as simply the next step.

 

[Micah Sweet]

I'd say what you actually need is a guide on how to DM.

Sure. A good starter set can and IMO should do that.

 

[Vaalingrade]

Sure. A good starter set can and IMO should do that.

That's... that's the core rulebooks.

The core rulebooks should be what you need to start.

you and I do not need a DMG. We know what we're doing. We need more modular books that address the kind of advanced things we want to do, not the basic book people should start with. Starter sets are basically a marketing trick to squeeze more money out of the front end.

 

[Micah Sweet]

That's... that's the core rulebooks.

The core rulebooks should be what you need to start.

you and I do not need a DMG. We know what we're doing. We need more modular books that address the kind of advanced things we want to do, not the basic book people should start with. Starter sets are basically a marketing trick to squeeze more money out of the front end.

Disagree. Starter set are a wonderful, low cost way to introduce new players and DMs to the game. It's the books after that that are optional.

 

[Vaalingrade]

Disagree. Starter set are a wonderful, low cost way to introduce new players and DMs to the game. It's the books after that that are optional.

So your assertion is that the core rulebooks are optional?

 

[Micah Sweet]

So your assertion is that the core rulebooks are optional?

Yeah. A good starter set and the free rules online are everything you need to play.

 

[Imaro]

It is a truthful statement to say a lot of them are gone then, making this a binary choice is just blurring the lines

I agree but was only responding to the binary that was stated.