D&D (2024) Kobold Press posts 2024 DMG Hit Piece

[Maxperson]

Again there's a difference between none and not as many as the previous version.

Correct. There's a difference between gone and effectively gone.

You don't know how many remain so you are effectively making statements about something you have no knowledge of... but please continue to tell me about the DMG you haven't read if you want.

Sure. So how many are there all told in the sidebars?

 

[Imaro]

Correct. There's a difference between gone and effectively gone.

Sure. So how many are there all told in the sidebars?

Why? Will a certain number change your thinking or oppinion? Convince you to purchase it. I don't think it will but maybe I'm wrong... so you tell me what's the actual purpose of this question before I expend my energy and time to getting you the answer.

Also who said anything about sidebars?

 

[Maxperson]

Why? Will a certain number change your thinking or oppinion? Convince you to purchase it. I don't think it will but maybe I'm wrong... so you tell me what's the actual purpose of this question before I expend my energy and time to getting you the answer.

Also who said anything about sidebars?

Nothing you can say will convince me to buy it. Not because I think it's crap or anything, but because I'm not a beginner DM. The only things I use the DMG for these years are magic items, traps, XP tables and optional rules chapters. I have all 4 of those in the 5e DMG and the 5.5e DMG removed one of those. The only temptation I have to buy it is the Bastion chapter, but I can't justify spending that much money for a single smallish chapter.

You didn't say sidebars, but outside of the optional rule chapter, most of the optional rules in the 5e books were in sidebars. It doesn't really matter if they are sidebars or sprinkled in. That's a distinction without a difference. I want to know if the number of optional rules sprinkled about is comparable to the 5e DMG optional rule chapter, and I've been told by those who have the DMG that they aren't.

The reason I'm asking is to see if I'm right and it's just a few, or if there are a significant number of optional rules.

 

[tetrasodium]

Nothing you can say will convince me to buy it. Not because I think it's crap or anything, but because I'm not a beginner DM. The only things I use the DMG for these years are magic items, traps, XP tables and optional rules chapters. I have all 4 of those in the 5e DMG and the 5.5e DMG removed one of those. The only temptation I have to buy it is the Bastion chapter, but I can't justify spending that much money for a single smallish chapter.

You didn't say sidebars, but outside of the optional rule chapter, most of the optional rules in the 5e books were in sidebars. It doesn't really matter if they are sidebars or sprinkled in. That's a distinction without a difference. I want to know if the number of optional rules sprinkled about is comparable to the 5e DMG optional rule chapter, and I've been told by those who have the DMG that they aren't.

The reason I'm asking is to see if I'm right and it's just a few, or if there are a significant number of optional rules.

The answer is

Spoiler: like one

 

[Imaro]

The reason I'm asking is to see if I'm right and it's just a few, or if there are a significant number of optional rules.

Right about what? That it's less than 2014... I dont think anyone has argued it isn't. Is it a significant number... thats a purely subjective threshold. What I'm not going to do, especially since the optional/alternate rules are sprinkled throughout the DMG is take the time to collect all of.them for someone who.has already decided they aren't interested in the product regardless of how many there are.

 

[Imaro]

The answer is

Spoiler: like one

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Uneducated guess right??

 

[Parmandur]

Right about what? That it's less than 2014... I dont think anyone has argued it isn't. Is it a significant number... thats a purely subjective threshold. What I'm not going to do, especially since the optional/alternate rules are sprinkled throughout the DMG is take the time to collect all of.them for someone who.has already decided they aren't interested in the product regardless of how many there are.

Apropos of nothing while you scream into the void...have you heard the hood word of the Ignore button??

 

[Imaro]

Apropos of nothing while you scream into the void...have you heard the hood word of the Ignore button??

Lol... yes but I don't really believe anything concerning imaginary games is worth ignoring my fellow posters over. Real world issues however are another matter entirely.

 

[Parmandur]

Lol... yes but I don't really believe anything concerning imaginary games is worth ignoring my fellow posters over. Real world issues however are another matter entirely.

At a certain point, if every interaction is "but you haven't even read the book"...what do youngain from it?

 

[Imaro]

At a certain point, if every interaction is "but you haven't even read the book"...what do youngain from it?

Well there are other topics than these and hopefully they can get over D&D '24 hate enough to contribute something worth reading. But I do feel like you have a point in this discussion and think I will disengage with the usual suspects.