D&D General “‘Scantily Clad and Well Proportioned’: Sexism and Gender Stereotyping in the Gaming Worlds of TSR and Dungeons & Dragons.”

[mamba]

Sure there is. As I said, sexist behavior from actors who engage in it because of the script and with women who are okay with it due to script is sexism that is not bad, and therefore equivalent to self-defense.

reading / following a script is not self-defense… and since they are actors, it is not only about the two of them either

Or if you like, remove both self-defense in the killing example and the acting portion of the sexism example and you know, actually engage the point of my post instead of dodging it like this.

ok, let’s do that, Gary is a repeat offender who remained stubbornly sexist for his whole life. In your example he amounts to a serial killer. Better?

 

[Maxperson]

At the risk of directly contradicting my previous post just moments ago, I'll ask the obvious question: is this what is actually happening in the things we're actually discussing in this thread?

My post that he was responding to provides the context for the one you just quoted. The point is understanding circumstances, the times being part of circumstances, is a critical measure. Just as harm done is another critical measure. If you leave out one of those, your response to the sexism is unlikely to be appropriate and will likely skew towards being to soft or too harsh, depending on which measure you leave out.

 

[Steampunkette]

Trouble is the fact that you are unwilling to even discuss the unquestionabledouble standard or ever shifting bar of unquestionable inclusivity review censorship. That refusal to discuss it without attempting to flatly dismiss the possible criticism is what makes your continued focus on the term obvious tone policing.

Denial of offense through deflection to oppositon, attack on a constructed basis separate from the current discussion, reversal of victim and offender to present any discussion of sexism, not even discussion of how to deal with it just acknowledging it exists in the gaming space, as censorship and double standards.

Please. Just stop.

You're not using tone policing correctly, you're making anti-inclusive statements like "White Knighting" and claims of censorship when people are discussing the fact that sexism just -exists-, not even how to fight it, just that it's -there- at all. I can't tell you how frustrating this is.

 

[Maxperson]

reading a script is not self-defense…

Then remove those two and actually respond to my post. Or don't. But stop taking things out of context and ignoring the greater point please.

 

[AnotherGuy]

It could be, if I weren't part of the group of neurodivergent individuals in question.

Though, admittedly, my particular placement on the scale is different from the one I described.

The one I unintentionally described is also one of the three that is widely produced in media. The other two are the "Brilliant Savant with no Social Skills" (Abed, Sheldon, Monk, Etc) and "Child that refuses to make eye contact and seems to explode at random to utterly innocuous events"

Okay.
I think an example of your last one may be the kid Simon in Mercury Rising perhaps although they describe him as a Savant but he refuses to make eye contact and did emotionally explode in the movie. They're likely all Savants though maybe. Not my field of expertise.

 

[Ruin Explorer]

Trouble is the fact that you are unwilling to even discuss the unquestionabledouble standard or ever shifting bar of unquestionable inclusivity review censorship. That refusal to discuss it without attempting to flatly dismiss the possible criticism is what makes your continued focus on the term obvious tone policing.

This seems to me a very self-serving argument, with no real merit.

You seem to think that because you intentionally used maximally offensive terms, ones completely inappropriate to the discussion, and people noticed and didn't like it, and you then refused to apologise, refused to rephrase, and generally dug your heels in, you're somehow "in the right" because people aren't interested in arguing with you? That seems pretty laughable.

People don't want to argue with you because you de facto accused literally everyone who disagrees with you of being dishonest and arguing in bad faith. Why not apologise and restate your argument in more straightforward terms? You accuse others of tone-policing, but you're apparently engaging gladly in time-wasting by defending phrases you know are inappropriate.

 

[tetrasodium]

Denial of offense through deflection to oppositon, attack on a constructed basis separate from the current discussion, reversal of victim and offender to present any discussion of sexism, not even discussion of how to deal with it just acknowledging it exists in the gaming space, as censorship and double standards.

Please. Just stop.

You're not using tone policing correctly, you're making anti-inclusive statements like "White Knighting" and claims of censorship when people are discussing the fact that sexism just -exists-, not even how to fight it, just that it's -there- at all. I can't tell you how frustrating this is.

Denial? Yes you are engaging in denial by dismissing the very idea that there could be a double standard and which has a point where it shifts from inclusivity to exclusion & gatekeeping.
@Ruin Explorer too
Please. Just stop.

 

[Steampunkette]

Okay.
I think an example of your last one may be the kid Simon in Mercury Rising perhaps.

Oh, for sure! Also the version of autism presented by Autism Speaks and Antivaxxers as what autism "Looks Like" and how you have to "Fix" the kid by forcing them to mask at all times through whatever means necessary.

Also on House in that one episode with the kid who ate cat poop in a sandbox. Or "The Wizard" with Fred Savage and the launch of Super Mario Brothers 3 at a Nintendo Tournament. Lots of nonverbal kids whining or screaming on the silver screen because "That's what autism is" for a lotta folks.

It's all just frustrating.

 

[Ruin Explorer]

Denial? Yes you are engaging in denial by dismissing the very idea that there could be a double standard and which has a point where it shifts from inclusivity to exclusion & gatekeeping.
@Ruin Explorer too

Gatekeeping now? What next, gaslighting? Then girlbossing mayhap?

Are you playing some kind of meme bingo with us lol?

 

[Staffan]

Vulcans have entirely human patterns of thinking though. I mean, the text claims they don’t, but you never really see that reflected in their actions.

And that's with the benefit of writers being able to tailor the plot and circumstances to bring out precisely the result they want, instead of being played by someone reacting to events in the moment the way we do when playing RPGs.

I think expecting players to play other species in actually non-human ways is putting the bar way too high. You can make them "weird" humans, dialing up some traits and dialing others down, but they're still going to be fundamentally human.

Because as it turns out, most writers are human, so they end up writing characters that behave like humans. Maybe with some restrictions or exaggerations, but those still inevitably fall within the range of human behavior and expression.

Right.