D&D General Just sweeping dirty dishes under the rug: D&D, Sexism, and the '70s

[TiQuinn]

if you have no experience with something but the other person does, then I’d say you benefit from listening to their perspective instead of saying ‘but I know better’ because you quite literally do not (unless this were your field of study maybe). You would not do that in any other field of expertise (hopefully)

Your ‘evaluating what you hear’ sounds an awful lot like twisting it through your biases and ultimately dismissing it. To a degree that is unavoidable, we are all humans, but the less we let our biases affect our understanding, the better (that is why the scientific method is designed to minimize them). So maybe a little less evaluating and a bit more actually listening would be good

Constant dialogue without movement where one side has no lived experience but still wants to keep the dialogue going is pretty much the definition of trolling/sealioning, IMO.

 

[Bedrockgames]

It is absolutely not clear. We do not all know.

You have asserted that a thing happens (that tabletop RPG publishers get shouted down and mobbed online over content, and that this suppresses that content), I've furnished the two closest examples I can think of, and you've declined to provide any. I've stopped asking you directly.

Again, I have already answered this question as well as I can here. If you aren't happy with my response that is fine. I just know from being active in the hobby that to me it is very clear and not at all worth diving into here. Consider a point in your favor in this conversation if you prefer. I've just said what I have to say to that question (and I have tried to answer and many of your questions as I can: I believe I have been quite fair in that respect, but it doesn't mean you are going to find my answers satisfactory)

 

[Bedrockgames]

if you have no experience with something but the other person does, then I’d say you benefit from listening to their perspective instead of saying ‘but I know better’ because you quite literally do not (unless this were your field of study maybe). You would not do that in any other field of expertise (hopefully)

Again, I am not going to say to someone everything they say is true simply because of their identity and experience. That doesn't make sense. And I don't think silencing people because of their identity and experience makes sense either

 

[Mannahnin]

Again, I have already answered this question as well as I can here. If you aren't happy with my response that is fine. I just know from being active in the hobby that to me it is very clear and not at all worth diving into here. Consider a point in your favor in this conversation if you prefer. I've just said what I have to say to that question (and I have tried to answer and many of your questions as I can: I believe I have been quite fair in that respect, but it doesn't mean you are going to find my answers satisfactory)

I get that. I appreciate that you've been civil, and made an effort to answer some of my questions.

Whatever you're alluding to is definitely not very clear from my activity in the hobby over the past 39 years or on the internet for the past 33-ish.

 

[Belen]

Are there any examples of that happening over tabletop RPG content?

Not that I have encountered.

Then again, a lot of us have always lived in fear of being labeled and treated differently for the things we love, at least, that is true of my generation.

 

[Dannyalcatraz]

Mod Note:

I’m here because participants in this thread keep indulging the devil on their shoulders instead of the angel on the other. The last report generated was for a post a few pages back, and things have improved since then.

But we can’t keep babysitting this particular thread. So, it’s closing time.

 

[Bedrockgames]

Constant dialogue without movement where one side has no lived experience but still wants to keep the dialogue going is pretty much the definition of trolling/sealioning, IMO.

How is not being persuaded by peoples argument and rejecting the notion that people should be afforded special access to truth statements based on their identity and lived experience, sealioning or trolling? I may not have persuaded you, I may not have moved the dial as much as I like, and you may have not moved the dial as much as you like (sometimes a conversation is simply both sides voicing their perspectives without anyone shifting their viewpoint). That doesn't make it trolling. I think if you find my mild pushback to your assumptions to be trolling, then you may need to broaden your perspective and experience more of the opinion that are out there (because my position is a very, very mild one)

 

[TiQuinn]

How is not being persuaded by peoples argument and rejecting the notion that people should be afforded special access to truth statements based on their identity and lived experience, sealioning or trolling? I may not have persuaded you, I may not have moved the dial as much as I like, and you may have not moved the dial as much as you like (sometimes a conversation is simply both sides voicing their perspectives without anyone shifting their viewpoint). That doesn't make it trolling. I think if you find my mild pushback to your assumptions to be trolling, then you may need to broaden your perspective and experience more of the opinion that are out there (because my position is a very, very mild one)

My statement stands.

 

[Mannahnin]

How is not being persuaded by peoples argument and rejecting the notion that people should be afforded special access to truth statements based on their identity and lived experience, sealioning or trolling?

What's "special access"? Experience is experience and lack of experience is lack of experience. Direct knowledge is direct knowledge.

If what we're talking about is whether things happen, people who have those things happen to them are in a better position to be informed and speak from knowledge than people who have not had those things happen and say they haven't witnessed those things happening. If the latter group wants to argue that the things don't happen, that's a tough viewpoint to give equal credence.

Of course, if a person says they've seen a thing then refuses to give any details about the thing or when and where and why it happened, that also impacts credibility.

 

[Bedrockgames]

What's "special access"? Experience is experience and lack of experience is lack of experience. Direct knowledge is direct knowledge.

I am saying someone having a particular identity or background doesn’t mean every reaction or feeling they have is proportional