D&D (2024) D&D Marilith Is Far More Bestial In 2025

The new 2025 Monster Manual has all-new art, and one major change is the depiction of the marilith. Up until now, the marilith has been depicted as a six-armed humanish female from the waist up; while in the 2025 book, the picture is far more bestial in nature.

Not only is the imagery more demonic, it also features the creature in action, simultaneously beheading, stabbing, and entwining its foes with its six arms and snake-like tail.

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Left 2025 Marilith / Right 2014 Marilith
 

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I thought you become a Manes? Aren't Larvae in Hades?

Or are my AD&D-era understandings out-of-date in this Planescape-y world?!
Everyone (unless you were especially evil or had a deal stating otherwise) starts out as larva in the lower planes. You have to work your way up to manes or lemures. Afterlife goals!
 

Wait, what?

If you go to the Abyss as a soul, you are turned into a Larva. You REALLY have no sexual characteristics at that point. It's not like demons breed.
The mortal is still in there. As is the sense of self, which includes humanoid physical and sexual characteristics. It makes perfect sense that those things can and would come out as the mortal progresses through fiendhood.
 

Faces of Evil definitely says they can breed. Planescape for sure, but even Greyhawk says that Demons can breed at least with non-Demons as Iuz is the son of Graz'zt and Iggwilv.
Ahh, this is where I tend to get lost. I have never bothered with anything Planescape. I'm totally lost with Planescape stuff. It's so frustrating that so many people treat Planescape as default in D&D. To me, Planescape is it's own thing with its own rules.

And, sure, demons can breed with non-demons - that's somewhat known. The exact mechanics are a bit ... dodgy. I always thought it was more of a magical infection sort of thing rather than actual sexual breeding.
 

The mortal is still in there. As is the sense of self, which includes humanoid physical and sexual characteristics. It makes perfect sense that those things can and would come out as the mortal progresses through fiendhood.
Really? Where is that coming from?

Are Vrocks male or female? Glabrezu? Nalfeshnee? Juiblex?

I mean, sure, Yochlol are called Handmaidens to Lloth, but, I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that they don't have gender.

I think you've got a whole lot of uphill explaining to do to claim at all fiends have gender.
 

Planescape on the subject of Demons breeding says it's possible, and typically the child is the same rank as the parents or in between with they aren't. It also says that there's a breeding program of Goristos which makes sense as they're more Demon War Beasts, and less like Demon people.

And while Succubi have changed across editions (as they're not Demons, and not Devils like in 4e, but unofficially Yugoloths now) Fall From Grace is the daughter of Red Shroud who gets a mention in the DMG, it's never stated who Fall From Grace's father was though other than Red Shroud has many children.
 

Spawn of Chaos. The Abyss creates demons as extensions of itself, spontaneously forming fiends out of filth and carnage. Some are unique monstrosities, while others represent uniform strains virtually identical to each other. Other demons (such as manes) are created from mortal souls shunned or cursed by the gods, or which are otherwise trapped in the Abyss.

Capricious Elevation. Demons respect power and power alone. A greater demon commands shrieking mobs of lesser demons because it can destroy any lesser demon that dares to refuse its commands. A demon’s status grows with the blood it spills; the more enemies that fall before it, the greater it becomes.

A demon might spawn as a manes, then become a dretch, and eventually transform to a vrock after untold time spent fighting and surviving in the Abyss. Such elevations are rare, however, for most demons are destroyed before they attain significant power. The greatest of those that do survive make up the ranks of the demon lords that threaten to tear the Abyss apart with their endless warring.

By expending considerable magical power, demon lords can raise lesser demons into greater forms, though such promotions never stem from a demon’s deeds or accomplishments. Rather, a demon lord might warp a manes into a quasit when it needs an invisible spy, or turn an army of dretches into hezrous when marching against a rival lord. Demon lords only rarely elevate demons to the highest ranks, fearful of inadvertently creating rivals to their own power.
This is what the 2014 manual says on Demons.
 

Everyone (unless you were especially evil or had a deal stating otherwise) starts out as larva in the lower planes. You have to work your way up to manes or lemures. Afterlife goals!
Is that a 2e planescape thing?

In the 1e MM it says:

For Manes demons:
"Those dead which go to the 666 layers of the demonic abyss become manes."
. . .
"Certain manes will be used to form shadows or ghasts (qqv), depending upon the greatness of their evil in material life."

For Lemure devils:
"The lemures are the form which the dead whom inhabit the Nine Hells are put in."
. . .
"After being in hell for a time certain lemures will be chosen to form wraiths or spectres (qqv)."

For Larva:
"The larvae are the most selfishly evil of all souls who sink to lower planes after death. They abide in the gloom of Hades, controlled by the night hags. These creatures are desired by demons and devils alike, as they are used to form quasits (qv) or imps (qv) respectively. Liches employ their essence in order to retain their un-dead status and powers. Because of the value of larva the night hags use them to trade off and thus maintain the freedom of their planes."

I remember 2e Planescape has the transmutation up the chain for fiends, I remember specifically reading about working up the devil type hierarchy ladder and Pathfinder has the souls of x become y specific type of fiends, but in 1e dead evil mortal souls are only explicitly the lowest form of fiends and the higher ones just are themselves and not said to be from mortal souls.
 

Really? Where is that coming from?

Are Vrocks male or female? Glabrezu? Nalfeshnee? Juiblex?

I mean, sure, Yochlol are called Handmaidens to Lloth, but, I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that they don't have gender.

I think you've got a whole lot of uphill explaining to do to claim at all fiends have gender.
Those three always struck me as male. Since demons can make cambions, they are all male or female. I'm sure the handmaidens are female and can make cambions as well.

Demon Lords might be the exception, so no idea about Juiblex.
 

I'm only seeing mentions of Type V demons as references or simply listing types of monsters in an adventure in the magazines, so I'm leaning toward their tactician role being added when the Blood War was introduced in '91. Before then they were mostly just associated with other reptilian monsters (yuan-ti, salamanders) and identified by being really scary, or mentioned in reference to having more than two hands, and as a good shape for shapeshifters.
 

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