Wheel of Time S3

[Parmandur]

It’s a reference to Cersei destroying the Grand Sept in GoT. I think of that scene often.

GoT, even with its disappointing end is the better show, but boy did the latest episode of WoT capture the essence of mall bookstore epic fantasy that enthralled me in my youth. And the acting quality was pretty close.

GoT as a TV show is a definite high water mark for fantasy on film, production wise. I don't really blame the show for the disappointing ending, because it is clearly Martin's ending, broadcast since the first novel now that we can see it. That's why he has no motivation to finish the books, he knows people don't like his ending now and he can just blame the show if he never actually gets there.

 

[Ryujin]

Yes, but I've come to realize that the historical inspiration is just cover for Martin's preference of the fantasy of extreme violence towards women and homosexuals. Yes, Martin, we know that's how our world was (is) but Westeros is your Fantasy world and you are choosing to add those elements to it.

I gave up on both GoT and The Walking Dead pretty early on, as they are both essentially murder porn.

 

[Parmandur]

Yes, but I've come to realize that the historical inspiration is just cover for Martin's preference of the fantasy of extreme violence towards women and homosexuals. Yes, Martin, we know that's how our world was (is) but Westeros is your Fantasy world and you are choosing to add those elements to it.

So, I have a tendency when reading books to simply forget unpleasant scenes. Sometimes this gets me into trouble with recommendations. Game of Thrones was one of those times, and my friend described those scenes as being "typed one-handed"

 

[OB1]

GoT as a TV show is a definite high water mark for fantasy on film, production wise. I don't really blame the show for the disappointing ending, because it is clearly Martin's ending, broadcast since the first novel now that we can see it. That's why he has no motivation to finish the books, he knows people don't like his ending now and he can just blame the show if he never actually gets there.

The weirdest thing about the ending is that after all of the supposed 'realism' of people making bad choices leading to severe consequences is that the White Walkers didn't win in the end. I would have totally believed an ending to SoIaF where Westeros ended up covered in ice.

 

[TheSword]

Wow, reading reviews of episode 4 and people are really gushing about it. Very clever to have the same actor play all his ancestors. I had to watch the scene of Collam Daan falling (even though I’m at work) and I must say it’s pretty spectacular design. Exactly as I image from the books.

Lots and lots of people on Reddit saying they hated the series to start with but this has exceeded all expectations and turned them around. Which is cool and nice to read.

 

[payn]

GoT as a TV show is a definite high water mark for fantasy on film, production wise. I don't really blame the show for the disappointing ending, because it is clearly Martin's ending, broadcast since the first novel now that we can see it. That's why he has no motivation to finish the books, he knows people don't like his ending now and he can just blame the show if he never actually gets there.

I dont think thats a good read on the situation. Martin barely worked with the showrunners at the end. Giving them a timeline that could fit on a cocktail napkin. I dont think he enjoyed the experience with HBO and didnt appreciate being rushed and took his ball and went home leaving them to fill in a lot of the holes.

 

[Stalker0]

Some clever bits I liked…

- Gaebril convincing those around him that he and Morgase have been in love for a decade using compulsion even though he has only been released a few months before. There’s a little pause with Leanne Shariff when he compels her before she answers. Very subtle, very clever, and deeply sinister. A bit like the Rick and Morty - Total Rickall.

Yes very well done. When you first see the scene when the queen enters and this happens...it comes across as a real miss, and I wondered if it was foreshadowing like she had gotten hurt or messed up by the fighting, as that was just not the sort of miss the grand herald of the tower would make. And then to find out the truth later was awesome.

You actually also see the same thing with Elayne as well. When she sees him, there is a moment of surprise, a look of "hey what are you doing here?", but then she is pleased and happy to see him and you think nothing of it....until later on.

Very well done.

 

[Parmandur]

The weirdest thing about the ending is that after all of the supposed 'realism' of people making bad choices leading to severe consequences is that the White Walkers didn't win in the end. I would have totally believed an ending to SoIaF where Westeros ended up covered in ice.

To a certain extent, the cynicism is performative, for kicks. Makes it a little more annoying.

 

[Parmandur]

I dont think thats a good read on the situation. Martin barely worked with the showrunners at the end. Giving them a timeline that could fit on a cocktail napkin. I dont think he enjoyed the experience with HBO and didnt appreciate being rushed and took his ball and went home leaving them to fill in a lot of the holes.

Eh, yet he has worked with them on several new shows. And the final end events happen to line up with the foreshadowing of the novels? Doesn't seem like a coincidence.

 

[Parmandur]

Yes very well done. When you first see the scene when the queen enters and this happens...it comes across as a real miss, and I wondered if it was foreshadowing like she had gotten hurt or messed up by the fighting, as that was just not the sort of miss the grand herald of the tower would make. And then to find out the truth later was awesome.

You actually also see the same thing with Elayne as well. When she sees him, there is a moment of surprise, a look of "hey what are you doing here?", but then she is pleased and happy to see him and you think nothing of it....until later on.

Very well done.

Doubley interesting, since that is not really how it goes down in the books, so thst is some show original drama: Rahvin's work was mostly "off-camera".