Spoilers Daredevil: Born Again (Spoilers)

[Ryujin]

I'm talking about episode 5 specifically.

Fisk does not appear in episode 5 at all. Episode 6 is where they explicitly parallel Matt and Fisk fighting, but in that episode, Matt inflicts considerably less horrific injuries on his opponent, and whilst he does attempt to hang him, he's doing so to a huge serial killer (indeed he would be the worst serial killer in US history if he had 60 confirmed murders) who is in process of murdering a child (and indeed definitely will murder said child if Matt fails to win the fight, given he is irrationally attempting to even during the fight!). Whereas the guy he absolutely mauled was a bank robber who didn't actually do anything except point guns at people, make ultimately idle threats, and then leave with a candy! The only thing Matt is preventing there is this badguy reporting back to his boss and/or fleeing the country back to NI (and even then he presumably just delays those things). He doesn't even seem to hand him in to the cops!

I believe said thug did talk about how they did things in NI, which Matt clearly heard with his super hearing, so I was thinking that the punishment was for a life of evil.

 

[Clint_L]

You could argue that Fisk is approaching the Mayor position in a genuine desire to do better, to really help the city. He isn't doing it for money or power (you could argue he had more when he was in full Kingpin status). Its just that he is infuriated by the slow pace of politics, and its so much more easy and expedient to fall back to old ways that can get things done so quick....but of course come with their own costs.

You could argue that if you ignore his sadistic pleasure in beating people to death.

 

[Stalker0]

You could argue that if you ignore his sadistic pleasure in beating people to death.

One does not fully negate the other. It is possible for a person to want to do good for their community but have "bad urges" that they feel they have to deal with.

 

[Tonguez]

Art for Arts sake Well Vanessa made a decision!

I love the way this show moves its pieces around, setting them up for the next knock down

Fisk does seem to actually care about the city and the working man on the street - at least the ones that appreciate his efforts

 

[billd91]

Fisk does seem to actually care about the city and the working man on the street - at least the ones that appreciate his efforts

I’m not sure he does. The people he was talking about so wistfully were the members of his criminal empire. And who do they prey upon? The working man on the street.

 

[billd91]

I believe said thug did talk about how they did things in NI, which Matt clearly heard with his super hearing, so I was thinking that the punishment was for a life of evil.

We also know, as viewers, that Devlin’s a stone cold killer from prior episodes. In setting, Matt, with his senses, probably has no trouble believing Devlin and his crew’s willingness to kill hostages as necessary.

 

[Tonguez]

I’m not sure he does. The people he was talking about so wistfully were the members of his criminal empire. And who do they prey upon? The working man on the street.

yeah its certainly a twisted, dysfunctional caring and Fisk seems to think he's the good guy as he decares that he thought himself unjustly targeted by Daredevils self-righteousness vigilantism.
Kingpin is a high functioning psychopath but he has a vision for the greater good of the city provided they do exactly what he wants it to do.

 

[pukunui]

Watched episode 4 last night.

While I do feel I'm missing a lot of context not having watched the original Netflix series,* I am still thoroughly enjoying this show. I appreciate that it builds on what happened to Fisk in Hawkeye and Echo, but I find it odd that it seems to be pretending that She-Hulk never happened.

Anyway, one thing I really enjoyed from episode 4 was watching Fisk come to the frustrating realization that being mayor wasn't what he expected it to be. Watching him listen to Sheila's explanation of all the red tape involved in building a new port and having to endure not one but two awkward renditions of Starship's "We Built This City" was delicious!


*I guess since it's on Disney+, I'll have to rectify that soon!

 

[nevin]

it's like watching ice cold molasses flow from a bottle. Some great scenes here and there but they could have done all of the episodes in 1 and 1/2 hours and lost nothing of value.

 

[chuckdee]

That's on top of it being basically impossible with DD's skill set, unless this version of Muse has mystical abilities or something that we don't know about.

The real version of Muse has the ability to sneak out on Daredevil. It's one of his big things.

Muse's body acts like a vortex which can absorb any kind of sensory information that surrounds him, making Muse incredibly hard to track, with even Daredevil struggling to target him.

This one doesn't.